Took these out for a 14" in 36 hour day at brighton. Based on some reviews and a couple hours on them 2 years ago in very packed powder, I was afraid 14" wasn't going to be deep enough for them. I've never been happier to get proven wrong! I was on the 189 which was perfect for me (6'3" and 240). Untouched stuff? Float right through it in an almost sublime relaxed way. Tracked out/chopped up stuff? The flex on the ski absorbs everything that the monster spoon doesn't smash into beautiful powdery dust. Groomers on the return? Surprisingly stable at speed as long as you're not afraid to just point them back to the lift and go for it. Like other reviews have said, the tips do flop around alot on groomers but you never feel, just remember to stay low and forward and don't try carving out any slalom turns because you're just going to provide amusement for anyone on the lift above you. For in the trees? At first I was afraid to venture in, worrying that it was more of a straight line bombing wide open powder fields only ski, but again I was happily proven wrong. Even at 189 these things were surprisingly nimble through really tight trees. Not sure but I think its due to the relatively narrow tail being able to come around really quick. All in all I was flat out blown away and can't wait for another pow day to do some more exploring on them!