This is my third pair of Rydr's. I love the fit and these pants are nearly bulletproof. They are nice enough to wear at work and out on the town. My only issue was with the color. I ordered the graphite and they look as though I have dust or something on them. Much different than my brown pair. I don't know if this is normal or not. If you like these you'll love the hi-lo cord..they fit very similar.