I climb alot and need a standard go to shoe that performs well on a variety of things, and this is that shoe for me. Good value, great fit, a bit of sprucing up with this new generation. Rubber is great, fit is nice, I size to .5 size below my street shoe for performance, and same as my street shoe for long routes and comfort. They soften as they break in and get more sensitive. Nothing too fancy, but they perform where you need them too, in an era of specialized shoes, I find I can do alot with these.