As many have said, these are good starter shoes. I bought these is size 9.5 US (recommended from sizing chart). When I first tried them I thought no way these will ever fit. After some breaking in they fit very nicely and I feel comfortable and in control on the wall with them. They are a huge step up from rental shoes for a fair price (especially if on sale at backcountry). I would recommend for novice/recreational climbers.