I bought these shoes to replace a pair of evolv Optimus Primes. These shoes lack the downturn (obviously) that I was used to with the primes so i was worried about how these would do on something overhanging, but these performed flawlessly on the local granite overhanging classic. I kept trying to find something that I don't like about these and it just never happened. They are super comfortable but edge, smear, toe hook, heel hook, anything you want. The rubber is pretty sticky, and super durable so I anticipate having these shoes for quite a long time. One thing I would say about these is that the sole is fairly thick, so if you're a climber who likes to feel the holds this shoe will disappoint you. I sized down .5 from madrock conflicts and evolv defys, and a full size down from my primes (they fit close to street shoe size) and was very happy with my fit. Expect a half size worth of stretch.