Unfortunately, it took me a long time to find these shoes. But they are way comfortable for climbing shoes. I got them a 1/2 size small, and would probably have gotten them a full size small if I had known they would stretch this much. But they are a great sport climbing shoe. I started climbing not too long ago, and they seem to work really well for a beginner to intermediate shoe. But I also have very experienced friends who still climb in them.