I was a bit hesitant to buy these as Stoic is a new brand, but I am glad I did! They are very well made, and fit very well. I will use these for backcountry touring, I wanted something lighter & more breathable than the shell ski pants I already have. I got my normal size, and they fit well. They are a bit slimmer than other pants I have/have tried on, but I don't mind. They fit fine over my tele boots. They do zip up the leg a bit, but don't have any type of liner inside to keep snow out so this may be an issue in deep power. They have a heavy reinforcement patch on the lower inner leg, which is pretty tough material. If you scratch it with your nail it makes a really loud sound (think chalkboard). All in all, I am happy with these, and can't wait to be able to use them! (P.S. "Not black" is a really dark gray, almost black.)*Update... changing from 5 to 4 stars. I've now used these several days. The fit is not as great as I initially thought. They do have a gap in the back, and I've gotten a back side full of snow a few times because of this. Still like the pants, they are very breathable (great for skinning) but the fit makes me think about swapping them out for something else...