Great piece of climbing equipment, they keep people off the ground! The only thing I don't like about them and the reason I use Petzl draws now is because when you use these on an overhanging climb where the draw is hanging freely, they are not stable. They twist really easy, granted mine have been on their fair share of climbs, but it's the only thing I personally don't like. I know BD does make draws with wider dogbones - who knows, maybe for this reason. I do think it could be I just need to replace the dogbones and problem solved!