Had a chance to try these last year on a training day on ice and was hooked from the first swing and ended up getting them just recently. Weight is always and issue, in the pack but you like some for setting the tool, which these still have that feel. By no means am I an expert or pro but like to use high end equipment and these are as good as it gets. Using these mostly for mountaineering so the curve is not the best for plunging into snow, crabbing works well while ascending. I remove the hand clips yet carry them with me for times Ice will be encountered. Shaft is slippery so I added some skateboard grip tape on for grip after seeing a friend use it, good idea! Lightness means less fatigue!