Just got these
Have been a fan of the older palisades for years and did not like the look of the new ones. Got these and so far very happy I did. Similar, nice light fabric. A less tech look, but would use them in similar situations..hiking/climbing. Very light fabric, perfect for hot weather hikes. My waist is btw 32 and 33 and I went with the 32's. The rise is just a bit short, but not uncomfortable. Trim fitting. The double snap closure is a nice, reassuring touch since I don't think I'll be needing a belt with these.