I've been climbing everyday for almost seven months in these shoes and they have held up great. very little indoor climbing on them. after about 5 months the rubber wasn't quite as sticky and my arms became pumped faster. size accordingly as they will loosen over time, not much, just to a comfortable fit. The stiff sole is great for begginers and have used them on many technical 11's and 12's. Great shoe with great performance. My feet stink in most shoes, I have sweaty feet. :/ But have not noticed much smell in them at all.