These shoes are my first pair of climbing shoes. They are working out fantastic for me. The only thing I wish I would have known was how to size them. In climbing shoes you want your toes to be scrunched up so the foot is always flexed. I ordered my shoes a size smaller than my regular tennis shoe size and they were still too big. I would suggest going a size and a half smaller than what you normally wear. If you can only keep the shoes on for five minutes when you first get them, than thats the perfect fit for you.