Great .. but
I love marmot stuff, its never let me down. Got these gloves for summit day mountaineering, where there isn't a lot of hand control required ... the other posts are right, they are not a precise feel under the hand! They are super warm and thick, with no detachable inner - ie you add one. My wife got the OR version (with innner) and so I was able to do a comparison. The OR ones are better and more versatile I think but much more expensive. Still a great product to go with your oversized down jacket.