Love the shoes went down 2.5 sizes from street shoe, I wore a 44 in the mythos and a 43 in these, they will stretch out!!!! Really good for smearing and edging, the heel is something to be desired so If you want bouldering shoes get the solutions, other than that really good shoe. works best on tiny footholds that aren't reallythere both indoors and outdoors. Took about two weeks to break in before I could wear them for more than two climbs, but once broken in, I can wear them for about thirty minutes at a time before I take them off. Hope this helps!!!!