I originally picked these up as an add-on to an order because they were on clearance. They didn't look all that special, but I figured I could use them for something. These turned out to be fantastic pants. The shells are bomber waterproof. The polyester panels give you perfect ventilation. I was worried about the elastic waist, but the drawstring works very well. These are the kinds of pants that you put on and just forget about. My only gripe with my model is the lack of pockets, but it looks like Marmot has already improved. Kudos to them. Get these pants.