I feel to go indepth on the carhartt is to almost give in on the secret of the club. I mean, these pants are probably one of the most worth-while investments that you can make as far as work pants go. I did fire rehab work in New Mexico and wore these EVERY DAY. Now, I wear them post-skiing because I've broken them into the point that they are more comfortable then most jeans. They fit true to size, and are really the stanard in work pants.