These seem to get generally good reviews, which I don't understand because they don't work at all for me. The main problem is that you can't really grow with this shoe. I purchased it as a beginner and outgrew it within two months. It doesn't edge very well and the rubber isn't sticky at all. I found it passable for gym climbing (where you have defined footholds) but on outdoor rock where you're smearing on tiny edges or textured rock faces it really sucks. One positive thing is that it is very comfortable though. I replaced this with the La Sportiva Mythos for multi-pitch climbing and 5.10's Anasazi LV for sport climbing and I like both of them MUCH better. If I could do it over again, I would've just bought the Mythos (also a good beginner's shoe) in the first place!