Do not buy these.
Was mountaineering in Patagonia when the outer fabric delaminated from the goretex, and the zippers came unglued from the rest of the pant. So I found myself in a raging storm with negligible protection because my equipment failed. What happened was the outer fabric delaminated and I literally glued the 2 fabrics together when the same thing happened to the zippers down the leg. Thought I might have torn them myself but... happened on both sides the exact same way, in the same fashion as the delamination occurred. The tears were resultant of the gaping holes caused by this failure.
These are not suitable for alpine environments, ice climbing, mountaineering, backpacking, rock climbing... I would trust them to walk around a golf course in. Maybe.
If you are buying these to actually use them go elsewhere. Mountain Hardwear, Patagonia, OR, pretty much anything other than Arcteryx since they moved to China without adjusting their prices and letting their quality slip. Really guys???
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