I purchased the Apex basically because last year's black was on sale, but I found myself wondering if it had a place in my arsenal of jackets. I own TNF Thunder, Redpoint, Windwall, Venture, and Khumbu jackets too, and thought at first that I might return the Apex. Well I woke up one morning to about 60 degrees and pouring rain and I immediately reached for the Apex - it wasn't cold enough for a puffer, and I needed something warm and waterproof... It was perfect for the job of keeping me toasty and dry with no bulk! It does fit a little snug in my regular size, but I wore a thin sweater and windwall vest underneath with no problems.