These draws are the very best! They are my first set of draws, and I bought them with the small/large biners and 17 cm draws. The MonoFil gate system isn't like a regular keylock or wire gate, it's the best of both worlds; a mix! They are easy to clip into, and the gate size on the L is either as big as or bigger than most other biners' gates. The draw is also pretty long in the 17 cm size, and it's also stiff so it doesn't flop around at all. They also weigh almost nothing. You should get these whether you're an ice climber, sport climber, trad climber, or a mixed climber, and they're great for both beginners and experts alike. Definitely a little more money than others, but worth it for the weight and quality - and I expect them to last a long, long time.