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can anybody compare these to the kayland...

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can anybody compare these to the kayland m11+. warmth, volume and sizing comparison.

thanks

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Sorry I can't compare directly, but these are pretty darn warm. I wore these all last year winter mountaineering and ice climbing. I'll be using these on Rainier this summer. The sizing chart is pretty spot on. I wear a 11.5 in most shoes and bought the 11.5 - 12 size equivalent and it fits great with thick wool socks.

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I am signing up for Rainier next year in Sept but will will be using the previous model being the Scarpa Summits. Anyone know if this is sufficient or better to use a double boot on Rainier?

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i wore a pair of these on Rainier in early June for 5 days and was plenty warm. temps stayed in the 20's and summit day was in the teens. i wear a 9 boot and bought these in size 43 and it was spot on for size with really heavy socks.

i wore a pair of these on Rainier in early June for 5 days and was plenty warm. temps stayed in the 20's and summit day was in the teens. i wear a 9 boot and bought these in size 43 and it was spot on for size with really heavy socks.
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@Gould, re: "I am signing up for Rainier next year in Sept but will will be using the previous model being the Scarpa Summits. Anyone know if this is sufficient or better to use a double boot on Rainier?"

The Summit should work fine on Rainier in September. I wore Summits while slopping around Rainier in August and had no troubles at all from the boots.

A similar use boot overall to the Mont Blanc, albeit the older design of the Summit has a "fatter" collar above the ankle. I like the fit of the Mont Blanc GTX better as I find it is easier to snug up and keep a good fit/tension. Temperature wise, they are just about equal. I'm normally on the warm side and have had the Summits easily remain comfortable, for me, down into the 15F range. Love the Vibram soles on the Summit, had no trouble with them clogging up with slush or snow when the crampons were off.

Definitely take some time to put some miles on the Summits if you haven't already to make sure you know if/where you get hotspots. I cracked off ~75 miles in mine before they felt really good and got past hotspots on my heels.

I also recommend getting better insoles (Scarpa's insoles are pretty "meh") and less stretchy laces to aid in keeping the Summits properly tensioned to prevent slip in the heel.

Overall Scarpa Summits are a great boot, especially if you scored a pair at a reasonable price on closeout. Hard to beat for overall comfort, usability, and toughness.

Double boot setup is usually overkill on Rainier IMO (especially in the warmer months), but definitely a safe option for those without much experience in that environment.

Hope this helps...