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Less acetylene and oxygen and more non-bulky, lightweight awesomeness, the Backcountry.com Men’s Shift Welder Hoody spends more time on the mountain and less in the garage. Weighing in at only 22-ounces (635g), this hooded softshell trumps your old go-to softy. Power Shield softshell fabric fends off all but the worst of Mother Nature’s nastiness without leaving you all steamy on the uptrack—the Welder breathes better than a Lamaze coach. Fully-welded seams add further weather protection, while eliminating the bulk and rub routine common in other standard seam softshells. Toss your tunes into the internal chest pocket—the sound portal will finally establish peace between you and your headphone cords. The fully-adjustable hood fits over helmets and beanies alike—making the Welder a great partner whether you’re skiing the deeps or stuck on belay. Layer over a t-shirt or a few more layers—the Welder’s athletic, ergo cut adds a fourth dimension to Power Shield softshell fabric’s dynamic fit.
Bottom Line: Fused dynamism—welcome to the future.
As an avalanche forecaster, I'm pretty hard on things. Two stroke machines, storm days where you can't see your ski tips, spilling the red bull on yourself on the last hour of a 15 hour shift, these things are hard on gear. The shift welder has been my go to shell all season, from winds blowing 50 mph on the skyline to snow falling at 3" in an hour, the shift welder has clocked in and given 115%. I'm super psyched on this piece. I'm 145 lbs, 5' 10" and I wear a medium. Plenty of well placed pockets to hold camera, compass and more. As soon as there's a womens available, I'm buying my wife one!
This is the sweetest jacket/soft shell I have ever worn. Just last week I was in a restaurant and my buddy spilled a full cup of Hawaiian Punch across the table and all over me. I stood up and the juice just beaded off. I was dry and the jacket was not colored or stained at all. Furthermore, in the cold this jacket is wind-proof and worm. Great color options and an all round sweet coat.
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I am a lucky guy. Not because I live in my van, which is pretty cool, but because I'm friends with Tyson Bolduc. Not just the Facebook kind, but the real-life, high-fivin', powder-shredding kind. And I have to say, I thought Tyson looked super-duper good on skis, but his Shift Welder hoody makes him look just darn sexy. ...you know, in that hetrosexual life-partner sort of way.
I am writing this from the University of Utah library, to where I have trudged 2 miles uphill in my Shift Welder hoody to complete a paper. I had no intention of writing another review, but its performance today compels me to write this.
Its a complete blizzard right now in Salt lake city, with winds up to 20+ and snow making it a total whiteout. All I wore was my R1 fleece underneath, and I was COMPLETELY warm and dry the entire way. I was so gracious for the fleece lined pockets for I had left my gloves at home (stupid, I know). The cut of this jacket allowed for complete protection from the elements, while the materials allowed for an uncompromising range of motion.
As an avalanche forecaster, I'm hard on gear. Two stroke machines, unrelenting storm days and spilled coffee can be pretty hard on a jacket. The shift welder has been my go to jacket every day this season, work or pleasure.
Best softshell I've owned... until I left it in an overhead bin and never saw it again. I replaced it with one from Mountain Hardwear, which I don't like nearly as much. The backcountry one was flexible, had a good fit, kept me dry and warm, all while being light. It also looked good.
Right now I'm looking at both this and the Cloudveil Firsturn, is one going to be warmer on its own then the other? I would like to use this every day use during the winter as well as for skiing, so any feedback is appreciated.
the welder is intended for backcountry touring, aerobic activity that requires the most breathability, and comfort when sweating. if you are looking for just warmth, the firsturn would be better, or check out the stoic welder insulated.
I have literally waited months for a jacket of this type. Truly, this is your do it all softshell. From skiing, to climbing, to biking and just hanging around, this jacket does it all. Its INCREDIBLY water resistant, almost waterproof even, and has a fit that is honestly second to none. All of the nice little features really round out this jacket: the in pocket hem cinches, the fully adjustable hood, the awesome double zippers and pockets (fleece lined), complete with impeccable articulation on the arms truly make this jacket your go to softshell. This jacket will easily replace three of my current jackets the thing that can do it all. GET IT this jacket you wont regret it. I have owned a number of different softshell, such as the MHW Dragon, TNF Cipher, Marmot Super Hero and Patagonia Slopestyle and the Welder beats them all in both fit and comfort. A word about the Carbon color, its a bit lighter than the picture tells, more like a grayish than gunmetal.
Probably the best way to wash a softshell like this would be using Nikwax Tech Wash: http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Nikwax-Tech-Wash/NIK0018M.html then hanging the coat to dry.
If it seems to be losing its water resistance, either wash with Nikwax Softshell Proof Wash In http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Nikwax-Softshell-Proof-Wash-In/NIK0024M.html
or wash, hang to dry, then treat with Nikwax Softshell Proof Spray-On http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Nikwax-Softshell-Proof-Spray-On/NIK0043M.html
This jacket saved me a trip to the hospital for sure. I was riding my scooter at about 30mph on a dimly lit street and all of a sudden I was over the handlebars. My head along with my left shoulder and elbow were taking the brunt of it as I slid for about 20 feet on dirt and gravel with my 200lb scooter riding it out on top of me. As I came to a stop and struggled to get the scooter off my legs, I slowly stood up hoping for the best but expecting the worst. I could stand immediately which was great. Since I was wearing shorts, my entire left leg was scraped up really badly and was bleeding and dirty and had little rock littered inside of it. Next I checked my left arm and shoulder as I knew that had taken the worst of it. I slowly took off my jacket not knowing if something was going to pop out of place, but took it off fine and examined my elbow. It was bleeding and scraped up pretty badly, but I was surprised it wasn't worse. Upon inspecting my jacket I saw about 2 feet of abrasion streaks and dirt from my shoulder to my elbow but not a single rip, tear, or weakening of the material. Amazing. I know for a fact that if I hadn't been wearing this jacket, or had been wearing any other jacket, I would have been in the hospital getting stitches up and down my left arm. So thank for making a bomber jacket that can withstand a 30mph scooter crash. I've been riding for 7 years and have never fallen off my scooter. If I hadn't been wearing this jacket, I might have never ridden again. I loved this jacket like a child before the accident, but now we have a bond. I know I'll have this jacket forever and it'll still be just as bomber when I'm 80 years old.
They are actually pretty similar. The Gamma SV seems slightly thicker, and maybe a little warmer, but not by much. As for the fit, the Shift Welder could be a little more fitted than the Gamma SV (so that there's not quite as much room to layer), and the Welder's arms and body are just a little bit longer.
This jacket is my new go-to. It's hard to replace the shift composite, but I love the hood on this jacket (been rainy here lately) and the softer feel is nice. I'm 5'7" - 165lbs, athletic build and the M fits great. The jacket is super comfortable and regulates my tempature perfectly. You can go for jog in the morning, and wear it in to the office in the afternoon and not get cold, or hot. The shift composite seems a bit warmer, but I think that may be the higher neckline keeping more wind out. I've yet to test under extreme conditions but if it's anything like the composite, I'm confident it will be great
yes it is sadly discontinued. Backcountry launched a new brand/company called Stoic. They have products that are very similar to this one. Stoicgear.com
I have been lusting after this jacket for quite a while, and I picked it up on SAC recently. It would be an understatement to call me a jacket whore, and I felt guilty about ordering another. Until I got it in the mail. This thing is AWESOME and a half. It's super comfortable and it looks killer (I am 6' and 145 pounds and the small fits snug but not tight) It's quite breathable and it pukes heat. I had this packed for a backpacking trip, hoping to only use it at night for lounging around camp. A few miles in, it started raining and I pulled on the Shift Welder expecting to be MISERABLE in the 80 degree heat and Tennessee humidity. Granted, I was toasty, but I was dry inside and out and far from miserable. I could go on an on, but I will stop here. Buy one.
Is there any difference between this and the Shift? Are they the same jacket w/ the exception of the hood? Is one heavier, more durable than the other? Will the welder keep you warmer than the Shift (hood aside). Is the hood worth the extra money?
6 month update: After ordering this jacket the day it came out, I must say that its the most used jacket in my closet. For drier climates, its the perfect 4 season shell. In light to rather fairly steady rain it keeps you dry, perfect for days in SLC. It has soundly replaced my ski shell in all but the coldest of conditions. The superb breathability of the Powershield makes it better for aerobic activities than any windstopper, and is very very durable.
However, there are some things that I should note:
1. Do not expect this to replace your hardshell unless you live in very arid climates, like Utah. Washington DC downpours just cut through this thing, but that is to be expected.
2. A lack of wrist cuffs leaves something to be desired.
That being said, the pros grossly outweigh the cons:
1. SUPER comfortable, the fabric just stretches amazing amounts 2. VERY VERY breathable 3. Excellent pockets 4. A fantastic athletic cut 5. Great hood that fits well over most helmets
Seriously, you are looking for a hooded softshell this is THE jacket, trust me. Just look at my profile and you will see the enormous amount of jackets I have tested and owned.
I've been looking at this jacket for a while, but I keep seeing different concerns about the sizing.
I'm 6'-4", 230lbs. A little soft in the middle, but not a beer gut or anything. I'd like to be able to wear a light fleece and baselayer underneath if necessary, but not be swimming in it when not. Will the XL be big enough? How about the sleeves? I've got about a 36" wing.
I'm 6'2" 240, wear a 46L jacket and this fits very well in an XL with a base layer, mid layer, and a mid weight fleece. If you want it to be loose fitting fitting you'd need a XXL. But as a shell with a more technical fit I think the XL is just right. To give a comparison I think its just slightly more athletic cut or V-shaped than a TNF Apex or the BC Shift Elelment. I have a 38" waste and have a little extra padding and am fine. So I'd think, unless you have a gut you should be okay.
An XL would probably be just about right. With a light fleece, there won't be too much room to spare (and there probably wouldn't be room for a bulky midlayer), but this jacket is not quite as fitted as some other backcountry.com clothing. The sleeves are on the longer side, so you shouldn't have a problem there.
This has turned into my favorite jacket for about everything! I've taken it up on really long alpine climbs in heavy snow, rain and stayed bone dry. The fleece lining is extremely soft as well as the fleece lined pockets. The hood fits well over a helmet and it zips up nicely to somewhat cover your mouth. The arms are just right....a little longer than other brands. Great jacket and what looks to be one that will be around for a long time to come.
This jacket is the bomb. It is very light, fit perfectly, good pockets and hood. I am 6'3", weight about 170lbs and I got the L so I can fit some layers under it when I go bombing down the slopes or climbing during colder weather. If you don't care so much about layering up, get M. I have to say that the double zipper is a bit a pain, but just need to get used to it.
I'm 5'9" 175 athletically built. Bought a Backcountry.com Wool Hoddy in a medium and could barely zip it up, super-tight all the way around. Does the Shift Welder fit similiarly ?? Should I go with a Large ??
Depends on the type of fit you're looking for. I'm 5' 10" 175# and I wear a Large. The sleeves run an 2.5" past my wrists and the length is 5" past my hips, even a little more in the back with the drop tail. There is room for a base and mid layer underneath.. I tried a Medium but it only had room for a baselayer under it. The sleeve and hem length was more to my liking but it was too snug on my hips so I went with the large.
I would go with a large. I am 5'7'' with a normal build and decided to try a S, and couldn't even zip it up. If the L does not work out you can always return it without hassle.
Bottom line this thing rocks. Details....I bought both colors in an XL to see which one I liked better. The "blue" looking one is really turquoise and rather bright. The Other color is gray with the slightest hint of green!
I wear an XL in the BC.com Hoody and the BC.com Stoic shell. I needed a Large in this Welder. I found this coat to have more room than other BC.com products and less of a slim fit. I exchanged it and the L fits great with my broad shoulders.
How come this jacket doesn't say "shift" or "welder" on the sleeve or anything? The Stoic wears its name, and so does the Luft down sweater. I really don't care that much I just was looking over the coat trying to find it and no where did it say "shift" or "welder"
I took a major digger on pavement while wearing this jacket. I had a major bruise and raspberry on my shoulder, but the jacket was fine. No rips, I just brushed some dirt off. I thought it was toast, but it held up fine.
Same material, similar design, both are very fitted. I think the Arcteryx one is a little thicker. But if you follow BC on twitter this week you can get a code to get this jacket for about $85... The Gamma is certainly not worth 2.5 times this jacket. but that is just my 2 cents. Both are great
I got my shift welder off SAC a couple weeks ago...liked the fit, liked the style but hadn't really tested it...until today. It was -10F or colder at the summit of Jackson Hole Mtn Resort today. I get off the tram and am greeted by a huge blast of wind that knocks some other dude's skis over. But I'm not cold. Not feelin the wind. I skied the entire day with this jacket over a mid weight fleece and patagonia capilene 2 base layer and while I got cool at times (sitting on the lift), it was never uncomfortable. If you're on the fence about this one, just do it..buy this jacket.
In some of the pictures the chest pocket of the Tahoe colored jacket it is Gray and in some it is the Tahoe color. Why? Is that an older model? If I order this Jacket in Tahoe will it come in solid Tahoe?
There was a limited edition tahoe/carbon colorway (currently sold out) that used carbon color fabric in the pocket and underarm panel. The current stock of tahoe colorway is straight tahoe in the shell of the jacket - gray microfleece lining.
For a long time I was skeptical of softshells because they seemed like a really expensive layer that I just couldn't see myself using. Every time I went shopping for outdoors gear, I would glance at the softshell jackets but simply wasn't impressed. Then, I discovered the Shift Welder on Steep and Cheap. I thought, "now that is a sick jacket!" but didn't buy it right away. I told myself that if I saw it on SAC again, I'd buy it for sure. A few weeks later, my brand new Shift Welder arrived and I was subsequently blown away by the quality of this softshell hoody.
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The fabric is incredible! It's the softest softshell I've ever felt and 99.9% windproof. I took it backpacking in Death Valley and busted it out to combat the chilly desert nights. I was actually camping in a canyon so the wind was extra fierce. I stayed completely warm with just a base layer underneath and could only hear the wind. I also used this jacket in Chicago just last week. As you may know Chicago has ridiculous wind and COLD! But I was fine with a long sleeve shirt under this jacket. Also, having the hood was nice in Chicago since the wind seems to come from everywhere.
I know this is a long review, but I also just have to attest to the excellent design of this jacket. I mean this thing is extremely well thought out. I'm talking about extra long sleeve to tuck your hands into when you don't have gloves, drawstring adjusters in the front pockets so you don't have to fiddle with them with cold hands, and an inside i-pod pocket with a hole in it to run your headphone through.
got a small hole in the arm after a flying campfire ember got me when i wasn't paying attention. any suggestions on how to repair, other than duct tape?
This is my first soft shell jacket. I put in a lot of research to find a great one. I really wanted on with a hood. And a nice thin lining. Powder skirt? Would be to have a removable one. Pit zips? Could be helpful while ski touring. But I bought this one because I found it was a good balance of features/function and price. I got it in a medium (Tahoe Blue, totally love the color), and I'm thinking I should have gotten the small. I really like its cut and a small might hinder layering. The sleeves are plenty long (maybe too long) and never expose my wrist no matter how hard I stretch. And so far, I've forgot about it's lack of venting, it was 50 degrees out on the ski hill today and the jacket was breathing real well. The only really down falls I've had are the the zippers. The main zipper is a little hard to initiate due to the double zipper. And my hand zippers have bound up on me once each.
I picked up one of these, but I hate the color (tahoe). It is large and it looks like they are sold out in the carbon. Any idea if you will be getting more in so I can exchange it?
They might get some in at the start of the new styles. Try using CHAT NOW they might know a little bit more. I would return it then buy the one you want when it comes up.
i was quite excited when i received the jacket in the mail and couldn't wait to open it and test it out. i got the carbon colored and gotten good compliments about it from several friends. nice slim fitting, welded, warm, and great attached hood. my only gripes about the jacket is that the sleeves could've been better made with elastics or a cinch of some sort to tighten the ends of the sleeve. i got the small and while the body of the jacket fit well the sleeves were quite long, making me feel like an orangutan. but it wasn't all too bad since i could tuck my hands into the sleeves during cold and rainy weather. although i would like to add that this jacket isn't for being out in heavy downpours. i was in mild to somewhat heavy rain for 15-30 mins or so and after a while of the water beading off the jacket the shoulders of jacket soaked through leaving the shoulders of my shirt underneath wet when i took off the jacket. which was somewhat disappointing, but i suppose it is a soft shell after all. the other thing that bugged me a little was the cinch tassels in the body and hood of the jacket, a little hard and troublesome to get just right. but other than that, i love it!
Anyone have a recommendation for what sort of detergent to use when washing this jacket? Also, what is a good waterproofing product to reapply to this jacket?
This jacket has a nice athletic look to it. Backcountry nailed the lengths for the torso and sleeves. I have long arms and always struggle with baggy fits in order to achieve proper sleeve length. Contrary to the review below, I wore this jacket at a football game in the rain (not just a drizzle) and stayed plenty dry. The only drawback I can find is that it's not as warm as I would like it. I guess that's why I own a down coat also.
I'm 6'1 and 170 lbs and like my jackets fitted. Just got a small and I love it! sleeves are perfect length. Not too tight anywhere and enough room for a hooded sweatshirt underneath.
Torso length is good too. Fits WAY better than my arcteryx softshell.
Yep, probably. I'm 5'8", 165 lbs., and the medium fits me well (except for the long sleeves). I have room for two light layers under it. It has quite an athletic cut, so if you like that, a small would *probably* work.
This is me and my Shift Welder flying high at Lake Louise Ski Resort. This jacket is amazing. It held up through some rough landings during spring skiing this year and a few weeks ago I took it on a motor bike ride through a massive rain storm and not a drop of water made it through. It's now my "go to" Jacket.
Ok, let me start off by saying i love this jacket, the fit is great, and the color is awesome (tahoe M 6'2 185). I find myself wearing this jacket more often than not. Now to my complaint. The jacket is just average in its water shedding abilities. I live in Olympia, Wa and after only 15-20 minutes in a light drizzle the shoulders are soaked all the way through as are some spots on the arms. Now i know that this isnt a "waterproof" jacket but i was expecting a little more in a "highly water resistant" jacket. Another complaint has already been mentioned, the fact that there are no velcro wrist straps. As well as the jacket repels the wind a breeze always seems to climb up the sleeves. Therefore i can only recommend this jacket for moderate to light weather, anything more than that and your better off with something else. Though i guess this is the niche market a softshell is fulfilling.
because this is the best, most versatile jacket ever made. I got it a while back and wanted to use it a bit before I reviewed it. PERFORMANCE: Repels water like crazy. I've yet to see any water soak into the material (I have some things that are 'highly water resistant' but don't live up to it). Crazy light as far as weight goes, and blocks wind perfectly. Insulation is light, but I think it is meant to be layered with. I've worn it with the BC Rime under it (at TShirt under that), and don't need anything else. THE FIT: I got a large and its perfect. This is what I wear in pretty much everything. Length is spot on, and not bulky anywhere. Athletic cut, which is nice. I'm pretty athletic, but not exactly in perfect shape, and no problem with the fit around the stomach. Arms are long, but not so long that there is any issue. There is plenty of room to layer...I've worn a heavy weight Icebreaker and the Rime under it at the same time, and I felt wonderful. BOTTOM LINE: buy it. It's worth the money. If you get it at the SAC price, that's just gravy...but find a way to get one, however you do it.
Hey, I've been waiting for the Shift Welder Hoody to show up on SAC again (I keep missing it), and I want to be ready when it does. I'm 5'7", 135 lbs. A 31" waist. Pretty slim build. Small or medium? And, the more difficult question...color choice? Thanks!
medium and if you are wondering about color you should prob go conservative and go carbon. follow BC on twitter this week and you can get a discount code to pick this jacket up for about $85
This jacket is so comfortable, it almost feels like an old cotton hoodie. But it repels water (in heavy, constant rain it is not completely waterproof), does great in the wind, is thin and lightweight, and is very warm (in part, because of the higher neck). It seems very well-made, and the welded seams cut down on bulk (and also look pretty cool). The chest pocket is decent-sized, the interior pocket has a hole for your earbuds, and the hand pockets are huge. The hood is not just for looks, it is fully adjustable (you can adjust it to fit your head). And the interior is soft and cozy enough that it feels great over a short-sleeve shirt. The sleeves are indeed on the long side, but tapered enough that this is not problematic. I agree with others that the Tahoe blue isn't as pictured (it is more of a brighter teal) so if you are not into vivid colors, you may wish to go with the Carbon.
Hey guys, I've never been a believer in soft shells' ability to keep me dry while snowboarding but what I've read about the Shift Welder Hoody from you all has me rethinking this.
Just wondering if anyone out there has any thoughts about the Shift Welder vs. the Stoic 2.0 Shell?
Pretty much like Bill said. The shift is warmer and more breathable, but less waterproof.
5'11" slender/lanky frame, the medium welder is surprisingly snug. This is true of most BC tops though, I find. Stoic large fits better than I thought it would, leaving plenty of space for layering underneath without swimming too much in it.. The hood is big for me on the large though - plenty of space to accomodate a helmet but requires some cinching for normal use.
Keep in mind that if you purchase these on SAC your warantee will only be good for 30 days now.....
this largely depends on the environment that you ski in - normal, or nuking...
Nuking weather - Stoic 2.0 - if you snowboard in the rain, warm wet snow, on the snow alot, or spending most time in really wet weather, or even fishing in the bering sea. A bit of mechanical stretch makes this quieter than most water proof breathables.
normal weather - Shift welder - this material is made to handle the conditions that most people are in, most of the time. good weather, but cold and needing insulation, windy or fast skiing or boarding, and need windproofness, and can handle snow, wet snow, and some rain. the Shift welder performs on the ascent, breathing far better than any waterproof breathable.
This jacket rocks. Be aware: Tahoe isn't the awesome blue that it is in the picture. It's actually teal. If you're into teal, go ahead and get it. Otherwise, get carbon. I returned the "Tahoe" one for a carbon color and it's great now. Also, the zipper blows. Outside of that the jacket is a perfect softshell. Not super insulated, but it does an incredible job keeping out the elements that insulation isn't super necessary (or just do some layering). This review sounds full of grips, but I'm just grasping at straws, I love this jacket.
hmmmmmm, this has been appearing on SAC a ton latley, whats the future plans for the welder?.....going away?...being replaced? or coming soon in more springy/summery colors after these r gone?
This jacket is awesome. I wear an XL in BC brand, MH, and Patagonia, and the XL fit me great. The powershield fabric is wonderful. I threw a dixie cup of water at myself when the jacket arrived and it was like a force field knocked it away, just rolled on off. Wouldn't wear it in a long down pour though. amazing range of motion with the stretchy material. ipod pocket is a nice touch. get one before they are gone.
I've been eyeballing this piece for a couple years now and the closest thing to black I have seen is the carbon color listed above. Its not exactly black but pretty close. From what I have heard/read from those that own it is that even if it was only available in hot pink it'd still be worth the money. If you're really interested in this hoodie I have seen it appear on SAC (steepandcheap.com) almost every other day for a mad, crazy 50-65% off the regular price. SAC is an ODAT (one deal at a time) site of Backcountry. However, if you look for it there make sure you have the money and are committed to buying it cuz they sell out pretty fast, especially in the medium and large sizes. and if you're not familiar with SAC let me warn you so as not to wind up like so many of the new SAC customers I have seen lately. Don't let the item you want to purchase linger in your cart thinking that it is yours for the keeping becuz its a first come first serve basis on SAC. Even if it's in your cart someone else can come through and buy it out from under you if you haven't gone thru the check out. So be patient, keep your eye on SAC, and make sure you're committed to the purchase!!! Good luck!!!
I got this off of SAC the day they unveiled this, and for the price I don't think you could beat it. I got the medium and it is a very athletic fit. I am 5'9" and 185 with broad shoulders and it fits like a glove with a layer underneath. You don't need much under this b/c it is surprisingly warm for the weight, so i wouldn't try and layer this over a heavy sweater due to the fit. The sleeves are on the long side, so keep that in mind if you have to size up. The welded seams rock on these and the hood allows for a wide field of vision that moves with you head very well. The carbon is lighter in person than in the pictures, but still looks great. My only complaint that I can think of is that the two way zipper doesn't catch on the first try sometimes like it should. This is more of an annoyance than a problem, but for everything this jacket offers I will grin and bear it.
I agree with Taylor, you're best bet is Nikwax. I have been using Nikwax products for a while and it seems to work just great for such a use as you are looking for. I've never used the tech wash that has been recommended, but being a Nikwax product I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. However the DWR wash in is priceless!!! Should bring your hoodie back up to par!
There are products you can use to wash and revive the DWR coating on this jacket. I use Nixwax Tech Wash to clean the jacket and then Nixwax wash-in DWR after. There are also spray-on DWR products. Also, Grangers makes good wash/DWR products as well. Type "Nixwax" into the search bar at the top and you can get a list of those products.
I have shells from MH, Marmmot, Columbia, NF, and above all stands my BC Shift Welder!
I am 5'11" 160lbs and the large fits so well, it almost feels taylored to my frame. Sleeve length is long, but perfectly long. I can lift my hands over my head without the sleeve creeping half way up arms. The cut and fit is awesome...It has just enough room for a good thin base layer and a good solid mid layer without feeling like you're wearing a straight jacket or a looking like the stay-puff marshmellow man.
The Shift Welder is an excellent wind blocker. And just as awesome in the snow! It handles light rain with no problem...not sure i would stay dry in a prolonged downpour however.
As I mentioned before, with the right layers this shell will keep you nice and toasty warm in cold temps (15F on the lower end, personal opinion based on experience). I wore this shell on a 25F multiday hike in which we encountered wind gusts as high as 40mph and this jacket took it all in stride and kept me perfectly comfortable.
Dont think about it, dont weigh the pros and cons...drop the coin when you have a chance to pick one of these up! If you dont have enough lettuce to pick one up...beg, borrow, steal, sell the dog, or hock your guns and get one, you wont regret it!
I ordered the Medium in carbon, so from your responses I'm sure it'll be a good decision.
Dan, I really can't wait for it to arrive hehe. I live in Toronto, Canada so unfortunately I won't be getting my hands on it for another week...but on the other hand, it's only a week until I get my welder :D
It's been pretty windy and rainy so I know it'll be put to good use once I get it!
Pro, Go with the Medium. I am 5'7" and 150 lbs with a 38 chest and bought both medium and small to judge what fit better. The small fit snugly with only a long sleeve thin Under Armour shirt on but there was NO room for layering if needed. The medium fit well with or without a layer underneath. I ended up returning the small. Hope that this helps.
I would go with a medium for layering purposes. A small on someone your size would probably fit perfect but if you went to throwin on a baselayer with a midweight under it for really cold temps you'd prolly be walking around like your clothing was made out of recylced cardboard...a lil stiff in other words. However, like they always say, "what ever floats your boat!"
hehe, just noticed who I was giving this answer to just before I was going to submit it. I guess it couldn't hurt to leave the answer in case someone else is wondering the same thing. PRO2989669, congrats on your new Shift Welder I saw you patiently drool over for days. You got a great bargain over at SAC. Has it arrived yet?
But at least the Shift Welder softshell would be a solid triple. First of all, as mentioned in other reviews..the colors shown in the pics are way off. My monitor rocks an AS-IPS panel (best lcd you can get) and I calibrate it monthly with an Eye-One pro....the "carbon" I received is a lighter shade of gray than the carbon in the pics...and much lighter than the carbon portions shown in the "Tahoe/Carbon" model. This isn't a bad thing however..just something to be aware of.
The look of this hoody is techie and sharp, the welded seams offer a very sleek and streamlined look, yet the polartec material is very smooth, soft and quiet...moreso than any other softshell I own. I had the chance to try out the hood the very next day that it arrived, and I found that it can be adjusted to fit very well and the jacket as a whole does a good job of blocking an icy wind of 10-15mph gusts. The athletic fit means that I will likely never use the bottom hem cinch unless I lose about 10lbs and use it for rock climbing with updrafts. Overall, very impressed with the jackets windblocking and warmth with just a t-shirt and mid-weight longsleeve baselayer underneath in windy 38-45F weather...not made for extremely cold, stormy weather however. Haven't experienced the wet yet...but with welded seams and polartec material it should pass with flying colors in anything short of a white-out or downpour.
Now for the stuff that keeps it from being an out of the park homer and rating 5 stars. I've never owned a jacket with a double zipper and can't think of a good use for it personally. This one just makes it difficult to zip up the first try and I've never successfully unzipped the bottom zipper...maybe mine is defective? Even though I like the no velcro cinch cuffs for casual use (it falls fashionably to the middle of my hands) it could be a drafty problem with gloves that don't have a gauntlet that can be cinched down. The last minor detail is the heat transfer goat logos which may or may not survive for long (especially the one on the back hem) ...maybe on the next version, BC could just use a regular zip and spend the money saved on embroidered logos?
The bottom line is that this high quality jacket deserves to be on the same shortlist with TNF, Arc', Marmot, MHW and other top brands when you are looking for a weather resistant hooded softie. I can't say that it's totally worth the asking price (got mine on S&C) but you can definitely spend more and end up with a less worthy piece. And the best part...since only BC sells this jacket, it is fairly rare and you likely won't see anyone else wearing one ;)
ahhh.. I finally got the balls to fork out the $$ for this great looking jacket on SAC based on the reviews and photos, only to be a few seconds too late to get a M. Very depressing. Will it ever be back?
I am 5'8", 135 lbs, slim build. I bought a small jacket and ended up returning it. The small fit me OK, it was not skin tight but there was zero extra space- no room for anything other than a base layer without an uncomfortable body-hugging fit.
I am just writing this review to give people a heads up on the size. If you plan to layer at all with this, I would definitely go a size up.
I may have found my own answer. Bill Hartlieb writes that you can/should reapply a Durable Water Repellent finish to keep the water repellency up. Where can I get such a product?
Ok, so I just got this jacket and haven't been able to test it out. But first impressions are great. The fit is awesome (6'2", 165, got a large), the color is really cool(tahoe, looks great in person), the hood is a little big, but thats really nothing to complain about considering you will probably have a helmet on. All in all I can say im greatly impressed and can't wait till im able to give a full review on this jacket
I had some pine tree tar removed from my Shift Welder Hoody by a dry cleaning place. When I brought it in to be looked at, the woman said they could not dry clean the whole thing due to the reflective logo on the front, but they would work on getting the tar off. Since it has been returned, (tar free) it is not as water resistant as it orginally was. Any ideas on how to improve the water resistance? Thanks MG
For sure Mark. Nikwax and Grangers both make wash-in water repellancy for technical clothing. I would recommend Nikwax Softshell Proof. I just used it on my MHW Dragon jacket and it worked like a charm.
This jacket does it all. I have used it anywhere from skiing in February to backpacking in July. The breathability is excellent, super comfortable, stretchy, durable. The water repellent does a fantastic job except in total downpour. Definitely recommend this jacket as well as all other backcountry.com gear
Dude! im trying to make that switch too! :-)...anyway steep and cheap is basically random with a few products that regularly show up. these are questions asked to customers and very few backcountry employees even know what is going to be in steep and cheap...the best way to get a product you want on there...go to the SAC forum and BEG for the shift welder, like go on everyday, a few times a day, asking for the shift welder. backcountry reads all those posts and if they belive that someone really wants something and they will make some money, they will put it on there. Ive seen it happen plenty of times, especially with items that have been on there before.
Plenty of people have weighed in on just how ridiculously stupendous this jacket is.... especially at the SAC price. I'll refrain from joining the chorus, and just comment on size. I'm skinny with wide shoulders at 6'2" 190lbs and the Large is pretty tight (esp in the sleeves) with a base layer on and 100 weight polartec. You shouldn't need much more than that, but if you're any larger than I am or want some extra room to layer, you may want to step up to the XL.
Okay.... I'll join the chorus... the jacket is absurd. The construction, durability, breathability and cut are perfect. It's all wrapped in an understated look in true BC style, is purposeful and not slapped all over with zippers or logos.
I'm 6'1" and 215 pounds... should I go with XL or XXL? I like room for layers and don't want anything too tight. Also, how's the length? I have a BC wool hooded jacket in XL and it's almost too short.
I find the Shift Welder to be a more forgiving cut than our wool hoody or Stoic shell. I am 6'1" 200lbs and I wear a large. It is a slim fit on me and I certainly would be able to fit a large sweater underneath, but I do regularly wear it with a midweight merino top and our Prime Powerstretch Top BCC0156.
I would recommend the XL for you if you see your layering needs are one or two relatively slim pieces. If you wanted to try and get away with a bulky sweater or fleece underneath it then perhaps a XXL would be the way to go. In the Large I find the length of the sleeves to be perfect as well as the length of the jacket itself so I would be concerned that the XXL on you would be too sloppy a fit
This jacket is bomber. Killer construction, light weight and looks sexy, too. I wore it on an extended trip through the Wind Rivers and it held up beautifully. I wore it with one thin base layer and it breathed great and repelled water and snow all day long. When I wet it out under a hard shell a night in my sleeping bag dried it out fine. comfortable over a helmet and goggles. I'm 5'10", 170 lbs and bought a small (weird, I know), it fits slim and I don't layer much under it so it's perfect.
To be accurate - 'breathable' is really 'moisture transfer'. When its cold and you start sweating you will see steam (moisture) escaping through a "Highly Breathable" jacket. you will not get this on a goretex jacket, only an Event jacket can compare to the powershield in moisture Transfer."Highly Water Resistant" means it will shed snow, and shed rain, due to a outer smooth face treated with Durable Water Repellent (DWR) finish. in most weather you will still be dryer than in a goretex shell. Reapply a DWR finish for optimum repellency (similar maintenance as lubing a chain on a mt bike, for best performance). in a torrential downpour, it will eventually wet out, and get wet, best to have a event shell in these conditions to keep all water out, but also allow moisture to be transported out.
A little pricy on backcountry, but jump at the SAC price! As the other reviews state, this jacket rocks and handles just about anything you can throw at it or on it. The only drawback is the lack of adjustable wrists, but it would not prevent me from getting this again!
I'm 5'4 140lbs and I'm wondering if the small might be too long for me since some reviews say that the sleeves and waist run pretty long. I have a small shift composite and that fits fine except the sleeves are a little long.
I ended up scoring one of these at the end of the Big LePowski and I haven't used my old jacket since. It is incredibly light and amazingly durable. Ive gotten caught in trees and brush that would have reduced my old jacket to tatters but BC.com jacket is unscathed. It is also entirely waterproof and wind proof. but definitely layer up on cold days, it doesn't carry much insulation, but it is after all just a shell.
Please, lets see more colors! I've seen that the hoodless version (at least the closest thing to it) the shift softshell used to come in a variety of colors, like a sangria red. Blue, Blue/Grey, Grey.. hardly a good range of choices. Red, orange, black, where are all the colors?
Really good call! This isn't the place to express that. I think everyone appreciates it but the "power's-that-be" probably won't see it. Shoot it through to customer service and lets get the ball rolling! Again, good call though!!!
This is one of the best softshells i have ever used. Under the sink test, it sheds water with no problem, I don't feel a think on a windy day, and the cut is pretty sick. I'm 5'9 170 and i got a large, and it fits perfect with a sweatshirt underneath. It extremely comfortable, the inside is so soft and the outside moves really well. it also has kept be very dry as it breaths so well.
The reason it only gets 4 stars is because of the looks (It is very important, admit it). As you might have read, the Tahoe color i received what not what i expected. The one in the picture would have been SOOO awesome, but instead i got a teal (much like this http://www.candlechem.com/images/D152teal.gif) instead of the awesome blue shown in the picture. I think the teal will be bearable, there are no Carbon's in large left anyway. The other thing is the welded seams. They do not let in any water. But as for looks, the seams do pop out and I'm pretty sure there are more seams on this jacket than any other jacket I've looked at.
I'd probably go with the XL if I were you. You can definitely use this as you "Go To" ski jacket. I spend 4 1/2 hours in heavy, heavy snow conditions a few days ago and it held up like a champ! To make it just a little better you could treat it with Nikwax and it'd be unstoppable. You'll love it!It has also become my go-to ski jacket. Over 35 days at the bird with it and it still holds up great afterwards at the bar or in town. Unless you have unusually long arms...the large size should fit you nice and snug without being constricting.
Love the jacket!!! One of the sickest soft shelled jackets I have ever owned! Super water resistant, super warm, super comfy. Can't say enough about it. One thing though that drives me crazy, the zipper can unzip from the bottom which is a great idea but it is tough to zip up and gets stuck all of the time.
I'm 6 ft, 165 lbs with a long torso, and bought the large. But it's slightly big / not fitted (Fits like a regular jacket). I'll be giving it to my dad and buying the medium for me.
I'm 6'0" 175#. Originally went with the Large, but it was a little too large for my liking. I guess it would have worked well with multiple layers, but I opted to trade it in for a medium, which I love the fit of. It is form fitting in a nice way, but starts to get a little tight with more than a couple of thin baselayers. Very thin and light - like wearing a long sleeve shirt with a hood. Works well in wind and light rain, but it will soak through if you're out in precipitation for too long - even the light stuff. Of note, the fit is NOT exactly like the Rime Pullover. At least not on me. I wear a Large in the Rime because I could barely get the medium on and off without dislocating a shoulder in the process.
Originally I bought the regular shift jacket with no hood on SAC. The fabric is awesome. It's just plain comfortable, blocks a good amount of wind and when I was walking in the rain (without the hoody) the water just shed right off. I'm 5-11ish, 250lb with a 49" chest and bought the shift in an XL. The shoulders and chest were just about roomy enough but the torso was snug on my belly. When I decided to return it I also went for this hoody. The picture for the Tahoe/Carbon two tone jacket is just plain wrong. Instead of a dark navy blue and black two tone I got a teal and light grey two tone... SHould have known better looking at the other two available colors... I am going to wear this to the mountain this weekend but if I can't get over the color it's going back. I might look around for a similar jacket with pit zips as well. I'll take any suggestions of an equally awesome softshell with pit zips and color options that don't make me feel immasculated. Seriously, white zippers?
Depends on your arms. If you've exceptionally long arms I'd go with a large. If they're average or slightly longer than normal you could easily get away with a medium. This jacket is absolutely amazing by the way! I use it for about everything and it's lasted a very long time. Have fun with it!
Love this jacket. The material is unlike anything I've worn before; very, very soft and quiet - the softest of softshells. I have an Arc'teryx Gamma SV (no hood) and used to wear a Cloudveil Serendipity back in the day. While both the Arc and the Cloudveil are excellent pieces in their own right, the Shift Welder is better suited - I think - to high-output athletic pursuits. The jacket blocks the wind, but the lighter material means that you're less likely to over-heat climbing or earning some turns. The fit is VERY athletic. I am 5'8" 160lbs and ordered a M. The fit is snug, but will accommodate a base- and mid- layer [R1 or El Cap 1/4 zip] without a problem. The sleeves are a litte long, but I wouldn't let that influence your decision. They don't look awkward and they're just long enough that they won't get pulled down your arm when you reach overhead. Oh, and the hood really is designed to work with a helmet. I can get a Petzl Ecrin or a Smith Variant under it with no problem. I bought the Carbon; my roommate went with the Tahoe. I look way better in this jacket... do with that as you will.
Any chance we can get real world pics of the carbon and tahoe as it sounds like they vary a bit compared to the website.Also I have the siphon *WOOL hooded jacket, will it be a similar fit?**ordered one, well make that 2 off of SAC...so guess I'll find out soon enough
***Review update*** I ended up returning this jacket because of its dissappointing performance in the rain. The jacket leaked around the seams and then the inside of the jacket became soaked. The jacket seems a little pricey considering it is not waterproof.
Original review:
I love this jacket. I was a little unsure on the what size to order and I'm happy with what I bought. I'm 6'0" 155lbs, and I purchased a M. It is a very athletic fit, but I can fit a hot chilis long underwar and a patagonia R1 pullover without the jacket feeling too tight. Basically warm enough for 20-30 deg F weather. I'm tempted to buy a large too, to allow for one more layer. I gave it four stars because of the zipper. It's a nightmare. I absolutely love this jacket except for the stupid zipper. It takes me 5-6 tries to get it each time. I would still purchase this jacket because it is a great softshell especially when on sale, just be ready to get pissed off when the zipper is sticking. The key is to just force it down as far as you can. It takes a little practice.
I would recommend a large, just for a little added room, for movement and adding layers underneath. if you want a snugger fit, you could probably get away with the medium though. Hope that helps.I'd say Large is probably your best bet. I'm 6'0" 173 pounds. I ordered the Large originally, but it was a little too loose for my liking. It didn't drown me by any means and it would work well if you have multiple layers. I exchanged it for a Medium, which fits snugly, but not too snugly - just right for me. As far as layering goes, Medium may be more limited on what you can do. A Capilene 3 and a 100 fleece on underneath the Medium is about the extent of layering that I can do. Sleeve length is generous, even in the Medium. Length hits me about mid cheeks.
My shift welder hoody finally came today-and I was not disappointed. It is the best jacket EVER MADE. It allowed the ancient Atlantians to survive underwater and turn water into straight breathable air. No, but seriously this jacket is everything they say it is and more. Soft, breathable, Frickin' Sweet Looking, lightweight, mind-blowingly amazing feeling and looking, and amazingly comfortable. Did I say it looks really cool? My only complaint would be with the sizing. As usual BC makes the sleeves a little long, or maybe my arms are too short :( ! It's not long enough to be a problem though, thankfully. They also say that is is an athletic fit, and this is surely true, I am 5'9.5" and have recently dropped from 190 to 175 in the last couple months. At my current weight it fits pretty much perfectly, but with no room for a second layer below it. My biggest problem at this point is that its 80 degrees out in D.C. and I can't really wear it outside. It looks like its going to rain in a couple days and I'll get to go outside and dance in pure ecstasy. I might sleep in this jacket and nothing else tonight. I think I'm in love. Thank you backcountry.com .
My shift welder hoody finally came today-and I was not disappointed. It is the best jacket EVER MADE. It allowed the ancient Atlantians to survive underwater and turn water into straight breathable air. No, but seriously this jacket is everything they say it is and more. Soft, breathable, Frickin' Sweet Looking, lightweight, mind-blowingly amazing feeling and looking, and amazingly comfortable. Did I say it looks really cool? My only complaint would be with the sizing. As usual BC makes the sleeves a little long, or maybe my arms are too short :( ! It's not long enough to be a problem though, thankfully. They also say that is is an athletic fit, and this is surely true, I am 5'9.5" and have recently dropped from 190 to 175 in the last couple months. At my current weight it fits pretty much perfectly, but with no room for a second layer below it. My biggest problem at this point is that its 80 degrees out in D.C. and I can't really wear it outside. It looks like its going to rain in a couple days and I'll get to go outside and dance in pure ecstasy. I might sleep in this jacket and nothing else tonight. I think I'm in love. Thank you backcountry.com .
Air permeability rating is like 7 CFM, which allows some slight wind to pass through. while windproof, this does also allow great breathability, allowing small amount of air in, to carry away the humidity found inside. Goretex is zero air perm, and you often feel very clammy inside, with out any of this venting
I just got this jacket and it looks and feels awesome off of the slopes...for the guys who have gone skiing in it...what kind of layering do you use under the jacket?
When it was insanely cold I wore a long sleeve craft base layer and a long sleeve backcountry.com merino wool top. I was plenty warm with those layers.It was a ten degree day at Snowbird with tons of fresh, all I wore a BC.com merino crew and a Patagonia R1 pullover and I was fine the whole day.
After buying on SAC, just received this today. Very sweet softshell. Workmanship looks great, it's very comfy, stretches well, and the colour is great. I'm 5'8", 165 lbs, and it's a good fit on me; enough room for a layer underneath, Only one minor gripe: the sleeves are crazy long--I wish they were a bit shorter or had velcro cinch. I bought the Flylow Kung Fu jacket recently, and wasn't really happy with it (it didn't seem to breathe that well), but just wearing this around the house, it seems like it breathes like a champ. I can hardly wait to get 'er out to the hill for some spring turns.
I'm unfamiliar with the double zipper set-up. Does it effectively prevent the jacket from being opened? In other words, does it make the jacket a pull-over instead of a conventional jacket that can be completely unzipped?
I just got this jacket today, and I already know i'll be wearing this all the time. I talked to some gearheads after I purchased a large and they recommended a XL for my 6'2" - 6'3" 180lbs build. I disagreed with them and just let the thing ship. I have it on right now and I can tell you the sleeves do not fall short of my wrist, I actually have about an inch and a half of sleeve I can pull on my hands if I wanted to...
BOTTOM LINE: If you are Tall and lanky and are worrying about getting short sleeves, A large will fit you amazingly.
NOTE: it is an athletic fit but not skin tight definitely ideal for layering.
As an avalanche forecaster, I'm pretty hard on things. Two stroke machines, storm days where you can't see your ski tips, spilling the red bull more...
This is the sweetest jacket/soft shell I have ever worn. Just last week I was in a restaurant and my buddy spilled a full cup of Hawaiian Punch across more...