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Hold on, and don't forget to come up for air.

When you break out the Atomic Automatic Ski, you better button up your powder skirt, cinch down your gloves, and whip out your snorkel, because you're in for a hell of a pow session. This big-mountain freeride ski was born to ski fast and hard down steep, open faces, drop big airs, and wow the crowd at the comps. A Powder Rocker profile features rockered tip and tail with classic camber underfoot for float, serious edge control, and turn rebound. The step-down sidewall gives you solid edge pressure for precision power on big, arcing turns, and the solid wood core gives you rock-hard stability and good rebound. The Automatic also features Sprocket Rocket Booster, a Ti SPB insert in front and back of binding mount area to add smooth stability when those runouts are longer than you expected.

  • Powder Rocker profile with traditional camber underfoot
  • Step down sidewall construction
  • Wood core
  • Ti SPB inserts in front and in back of mounting area
  • Wide turn radius

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Hey there, I'm 5'8" 160lbs and like to...

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Hey there, I'm 5'8" 160lbs and like to ski anything I can get to pretty much. I'm a PSIA certified instructor that likes touring the tetons and getting into pretty tight chutes and couloirs and stuff like that. Im a pretty playful skier (Slashes and medium sized drops are my fav) but need something more aggressive than my Obsethed's and I feel like im right in the middle of the sizing for the Auto's or the JJ's. I spent the last 3 years riding Seths in 179 and i am now thinking of automatics or JJ's to up the ante. I feel like going from seth 179 -> JJ 185 will do that, as will sticking with the 179 length but going from seth -> auto. so if you think i should ride the auto, do i stick with 179 or go up to 186. I could see my self skiing a bigger ski and feel like id get used to it quick, but could also see an incresee in size AND stiffness as too much for the trees and chutes. maybe the JJ 185 is the answer (assuming the 175 is too short?) sorry for the rambling, just lookin for some input. thanks
Paul

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I would definitely size up with the JJ and get the 185. That is a notoriously softer ski and will be a lot like the Obsethed. I think its a bit stiffer than the Obsethed though, I have a good friend who skis the 185 cm JJ everywhere and he absolutely loves it. The Automatic is going to be a lot stiffer keep your 179 cm length on that, although if you are an Instructor skiing all the time you would grow into the bigger ski just expect some back seat turns your first week. Getting on top of these can be tougher. Have you ever thought about some of the Rossignol skis too? The Super 7 is kinda like the JJ just a bit stiffer, Ive skied them both and noticed a little difference. I think the JJ is the way to go especially after last season in Jackson and its light!

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Hey Bill Thanks for the words of wisdom, and they're very helpful in that its almost as if you're recommending the JJ's for the wrong reasons. I want something thats not like the seths , and the the real story here is that i won a pair of automatic 186's and am wondering if i should mount em up, downsize to 179, or sell/trade? Ill still have the seths for when i want soft and playful so I think JJ's are out. so In looking for something to tour and tackle more aggressive lines in Wydaho I'm back to the autos.I read they run around 2cm shorter than they're advertised length, so if the tape says 184 on the 186 i might just man up and stick with those mounted at like +2, but as not that big a dude (5'8" 160)im just not sure how much it would take for me to flex the 186 vs the 179 in tight situations. I really just wanna go demo, but ill just have to keep nerdin it up on here instead

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ha! Well in that regard, glad i could help. Something other options that were also great in this category was the Blizzard Cochise and the 4Frnt Hoji's, just some other thoughts. I think your right though, if you want something substantially different from the Seth the Automatic would be the more aggressive option up against the JJ. I skied them both last year and I remember a stiffer tail in the Automatic. These guys and gals also loved it http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2012-2013-atomic-automatic

That is a tough decision though. The last time I jumped up a size and stiffness in a ski was when I used the Cochise for day. I eventually got it but, I think at first I was surprised its definitely a lot of ski to move, meaning I skied like crap, I struggled till 3pm. Then I have also seen that same ski & size get skied flawlessly by Jeff Rowe (he's a chatter) in a 3,000 ft chute. Jeff is also your size where I am another 40lbs heavier if I had to guess, he is an ex collegiate racer out of Colorado though where I am not, so some of it comes down to ability and strength.

You did win it for a reason though right? You might just ski the crap out of that thing. Would be nice to demo if you did not mind waiting. Its a popular ski, it should not be hard to get a hold of a pair at any of the major resorts in the West early season even. I bet you could still get a good shot at selling them or hopefully any easy size trade in December after the demo if you found the 186's were not fun at that length. That's when the Pow hits and people start scrambling for a skis so its not too late. Lots of choices, good luck! At the end of the day you won it so your always up, congrats.

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Any comparison between these and the old 2011 black/green Rossi S7? Been skiing it exclusively at Jackson for past 2 full seasons; love it, looking for something similar, but maybe a bit more charging/stiff. Haven't tried the JJ either.

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All Business.

  • Familiarity: I've used it several times

I just finished up my 2nd day on the Atomic Automatics (unfortunately not in powder yet) and they are superb. I had last season's model in a 193 length and I'm finding the 186 to be much more maneuverable and a little more quick turning. They are very stable and fast and although I haven't had them in powder yet, they performed well in a small variety of conditions at Squaw (off piste on Headwall, the Funnel, and Chute 75) and they demolished the groomers at Northstar on hardpack and slush. After skiing on the Armada JJ for most of the season I noticed that these skis are not as turny and playful but still just as fun for their stable, fast quality. Not real playful, all business.

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Hey Josh, whats your height/weight? I made the most recent post here, and am curious as to your experience going from 193 to 186. you said more maneuverable which i like. Im moving from the 10-11 obsethed 179 (117 waist) to (i think) the automatic 186, but am wondering if at 5'8 160 i should stick with a 179 length for more maneuverability in tight situations. and thanks for the review

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Paul D.,
I'm 5'11, 185 lbs. but I think you'd be fine with a 186 cm Automatic because it does ski shorter due to the 30% rocker in the tip and 15% rocker in the tail. Although I'm sure the 179 Obsethed skied even shorter than it's measured length because of even more tip and tail rocker I think you'd be fine with a 186. I liked the 193 even, and that was quite a bit longer than my usual 189 K2 Obsetheds (11-12). I didn't have a problem with the extra length except when I was in moguls or having to maneuver through trees. They were pretty light for their size too. I'd get the 186 if I were you, unless you really like a short ski. I like to go fast.

are you out of 179?

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are you out of 179?

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Hey Jaron,

Thanks for your question.

I am sorry to report that we are indeed out of inventory of the 179 cm variant of this ski.

About To Rip Alta's Eagle's Nest

About To Rip Alta's Eagle's Nest

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Last year's model (same ski, different topsheet)

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Sitting in my home office on a Sunday morning, catching up on a little work. Decided to take a break and upload a photo of some bindings I recently bought off of BC. I saw this pic on the front page of the site and just had to comment. I wish I was the one looking down right now at those tips and about to plunge into that snow. Beautiful shot.

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been there done that and yes I want to go back

Automatics or JJ's? Can this killer looking...

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Automatics or JJ's? Can this killer looking ski replace my 4 year old JJ's or will I regret it? I would stay in the 186 length for versatility, especially in tight trees and moguls.

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Both great skis. This is like choosing between a Lambo and a Ferarri. No bad choices here... but you do have to choose one. Personally I would recommend staying with the Armada JJ because since you got your last pair four years ago they have just kept getting better and better with a decreased turn radius (currently 16m in the 185cm) and they ride nimble all over the mountain. I think you would be pleased with the updates. That being said, I also understand the desire for change, even if only to try something new.

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It depends what you're looking for. They're similar skis. The biggest difference that I see is probably the recommended mounting point (-5 cm for the JJs, -10 for the Automatics). To me, the JJs a playful ski while the Automatics feel more aggressive. On a double digit powder day at Alta, you can expect to see me on my Automatics (unless it's Pon2oon deep). Both are great choices and you can't really go wrong at the end of the day. If you're happy with your JJs, you might not want to rock the boat. You can always try demoing a pair of the Automatics before buying.

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I have spent some time on a 193 bent chetler, what are the main differences in skiing feel between them. Bent vs automatic

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In regards to Bent Chetlers vs Automatics... Night and day! (Never skied JJ's though I'd love to try)

I love both. I find the Chetlers to be super fun and playful and the Automatics to be hard-charging fast and stable (but also quick to turn, even for mashing bumps!). My perception is likely due to the Chetler's more balanced and centered geometry versus the Automatics' directional geometry (a lot more tip, a lot less tail).

I'm torn between the two, but ultimately went with the Auto's since it suits my free-ride style more.

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Best Ski I've ever ridden

  • Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

I'm 5'11'' and I got the 186cm. It took me a little bit to figure out how to ski a ski this large. Once I did, it was magical, they STOMP big airs and tricks. Float in powder? It's not even fair how easily you can pop up on top and they even hold their own in technical terrain and moguls. Typically I wouldn't ski moguls with the ski this big, but with the automatics I will lap mogul runs all day long! This ski is confidence inspiring on natural lips and jumps, they are so stable in the air and give such a big landing platform that I can go bigger than I have been able to before.

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Lovin these skis!

  • Gender: Male
  • Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

I'm loving my 186's mounted at +1 for forward-only free-ridin' telemark. After skiing the Rossi S7's since they first came out, the Automatics are a very noble 'upgrade' that keeps the same characteristics that I loved about the S7 and adds the stiffness that the S7 lacked. Yummie.

I had them mounted at -0.5cm and didn't like it - kept feeling like i had to lean forward way too much to get the sweet spot - it was very obvious when skiing groomers and just rolling the ankles over.

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Its Automatic

  • Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

I have been loving the Automatic, and is my go to ski. no surprise that it skis super well in the pow and crud, a less obvious perk is that it carves real nice on the groomer to, making it a everyday ski if you ski anywhere where powder falls.

I mount mine on the +3 mark so that its swing weight and tail length is more balanced. If you want playful aspects of the ski to be enhanced because of interest in buttering, and spinning I recommend the +3 mount. If your a more traditional cruzer who rarely spins or butters you may prefer the trad mounting location.

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Sage if you are ripping these here in the 'Ghee backcountry on an everyday basis, than there can be no doubt this ski rules! As do you!!

An Edit Of Mine Shot On Last Year's Skis

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Charging and super fun!

  • Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

After reading reviews on this ski in Freeskier and Powder, I've noticed some similarity in that they both agreed that this ski is on the stiffer side. I suppose when you compare this ski to the Bentchetler, yes it is stiffer, but it's nothing you can't handle. I'm 5'2" 115lbs (I ski the 179) and I ski this ski any time there's pow on the ground. For a nice floaty, but maneuverable ski, I choose the Atomatic. It's stable at speed and charges through chop like a boss. I love em. The 183 Bentchetler is a little too much for my small stature, but I find the 179 to be the perfect ski for a charging pow ski. If you had asked me if this ski was stiff before I read those reviews, I might have said yes, but not too stiff because I feel like I can handle them great and don't ever feel like they are in control of me. Great ski, hands down an awesome ride on a pow day, and the graphics are all time.

What are the recommended mounting points...

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What are the recommended mounting points for the 193?
I'm 6'1 185lbs, and ski aggressively.
I've been reading that they seem to ski best at 2+

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I ski the 186 on the recommended line. I've skied them back 2cm and then back 1cm and the recommended line was the best. A friend of mine skis the 193 and he likes them back 1cm from the recommended line.

The ski rips. My go to everyday ski. Just fun everywhere on anything.