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Will travel, from Squaw to Jay Peak and everywhere in-between.
Take a road trip this winter and hit up multiple resorts when you have the Armada TST Ski. This all-mountain destroyer lets you ski deep Sierra pow, East Coast hardpack, and conquer steep, techy terrain like a freeskiing champ. Equipped with an EST All Mtn Rocker profile, the TST's entry rockered tip keeps you afloat in pow and on top of crud, while its camber underfoot and no tail rocker enables sick drive and edge hold on hardpack. With a waist dimension range of 100-103mm, depending on the ski's size, the TST performs equally well slashing tight trees in a foot of fresh or carving edge-to-edge on hardpack. The Hybrid Ultralight wood core makes this ski lightweight and nimble without losing durability.
In case you were worried about getting the
chatters at high speeds, the Laminate Matrix
technology (directional layering of fiberglass) provides torsional
rigidity and a smooth flex pattern you'll love. To ensure
durability and years of use, Armada gave the TST AR50 sidewall
construction to protect the ski's core against ski
abuse. Everyone knows blowing
out a ski edge can be a real bummer, so to help combat this situation, the
heat-treated 1.7 Impact edges make the edges both lighter and stronger. To top (bottom) it all off, enjoy the Comp Series base for smooth, fast
- Entry rocker with regular camber underfoot and no tail rocker
- AR50 Sidewall
- Laminate Matrix
- Hybrid UltraLight Core (wood)
- 100-103mm waist range
- 1.7 Impact edge
- Comp Series base
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So I bought a pair of these...
So I bought a pair of these Armada TSTs and have done about 8 days on them here in NZ. I ski 95% off piste (generally ski at small, local fields that dont have groomers) so groomer performance doesnt bother me. What I have found so far is that the TST is a bit overwhelming for me. It needs to be charged super hard 24/7 and will take you for a pretty fast and uncontrolled ride if you arent always pressing it. I have decided it is too much ski for me as I want to be able to slow things down and work on my technique to get good, controlled turns down the mountain rather than charging and then having to stop to get back in control. I am 6' 4" and 210lbs, advanced (on a scale of beginner-intermediate-advanced-expert-professional). The terrain here requires turns in tight spaces, dropping/popping off small-medium features (not skiing any big cliffs yet) and 'threading the needle' through rocks. This combined with variable snow conditions that could range from 5-30cm of freshies to tracked out snow, chopped up crud and the occasional icy chute. What ski(s) would you recommend checking out for what I have described and keeping in mind that I want to still be skiing hard stuff but need to slow things down to feel in control (i.e. something easier to make short turns and dump speed whilst doing so). Thanks :)
Are you the same Mark that I was helping decide between the TST and SFB further down on this thread? New Zealand I'm betting yes.
At least I can say my characteristics of the ski was pretty right on how you described it. Hard charging = TST, more playful = SFB. Sorry you haven't enjoyed it but buying skis is tough. I mess up quite often as well, you're not alone. I try to stay open minded and not push my opinion to strongly unless asked directly. Giving ski characteristics is the way to give people advice without alienating manufacturers and becoming biased. TST was a little much for my liking as well, I purchased it at a great price couple years ago and sold it shortly after.
What length did you get the TST in?
I got the 192cm
Ya, I thought the 183cm for me was plenty and it felt all of that. So even at your size the 192 with that stiff tail is a stout ski for sure.
I find my 180cm Kabookie way more fun than the TST was in almost any condition. TST still a harder charger.
Any bindings that people would recommend...
Any bindings that people would recommend for these? Looking at Look Pivots or Marker Griffons potentially??
I think the Pivot is a better all around binding. Probably will last you longer as well. They have the most elastic travel out of any other binding so in essence its actually safer cause you can use a slightly lower DIN and still avoid pre-release.
I am a Griffon fan through and through, been using them since they came out and NEVER have had one issue with them. I love the swing weight, the wide powerful power transmission to the ski, and the added height off the ski for extra leverage when carving groomers on wide skis. I am a very aggressive skier but have been called a finesse skier and rarely fall, I can usually recover so pre- releasing hasn't been an issue. BUT.......
No one will argue that the Pivot has more safety features in how they release, added travel/elasticity , and a more durable binding. If you are a big mountain guy that charges hard and wants the most retention, added directions of release, and more durability then go Look.
If you follow reviews and forums you will see more negative reviews of the Griffon for durability and they can be hard to click into for certain people. I have 5 pair of skis in my garage and they all have a Griffon but that's me.
Any recommendation for the mounting position?
My experience is that Armada's recommended lines are just right.
I am 5'7" and 170 lbs. currently I am...
I am 5'7" and 170 lbs. currently I am using Rossi B3 in 176cm and Volkl AC40 in 177cm. Would you recommend TST in 183cm or shorter? I am an intermediate skier and would like to have a skis which are easy on bumps and moguls.
As a reference I'm 6'1" 178lbs 42 year old expert and I owned the Tst in 183cm and wouldn't have wanted it in any other size. I also use to own a Rossi B1 in 176 and I currently own a non rockered Volkl Kendo 177cm. So based on your size I see that you prefer longer skis??
Since you use 177cm skis as your daily drivers and based on all the rocker in the TST I have to recommend the 183cm. Hard part for me is that you are 5'7" and say intermediate looking for a mogul ski. I think you will find the 183 still a little tough in a mogul field! If you are going to use this ski as your dedicated powder ski in the bumps then that will work.
Another point of reference for you, my wife is 5'6" 138lb expert and skied the TSTw in a 164cm and found it plenty. We do ski a lot of moguls and tight areas so we choose length very carefully based on each skis rocker profile. TST has a ton of tip rocker but no tail rocker and pretty stiff from center to tail. So you jumping on a 174 Tst really could do very well for you. Again so much more surface area.
I would have a tendency to size the ski based on how tall it stands next to you. I think shooting for eyebrows to top of the head being absolute max for the TST would work very well.
I wish I could give you a more concrete recommendation but you fall a little in between sizes, say intermediate looking for a mogul ski, and 5'7" going all the way to a 183cm seems long.
Let me know what you think after looking over my post. I also saw you had a Sir Francis bacon question earlier??
I know a ton of skiers LOVE this ski, but I found it really unpredictible, unpleasant even, in bumps.
I am a 5'3" and 120lb female skier of advanced/expert ability.
Read my huge review here: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2012-2013-armada-tstw
Note: I was skiing the TSTw - which is the women's version. The TSTw is identical to the TST save the topsheet graphics and it is available in shorter sizes.
Thanks for all the answers. I do feel my AC40 177cm is little stiff and too long for me but I am conformable to ride on Rossi B3 176cm.
If TST 174cm is too short but 183cm is too long after I demo them. Would you think Line SFB 178cm is a good size for me?
Do you ski east or west coast?
I really don't think the 174 TST would be too long for you. If you are an intermediate skier and wanting something to stay mogul friendly then choosing the shorter length is the way to do it. I guarantee the 174TST will float a lot better than your AC40 and even your 83mm waisted B3 on the deep days, no comparison at all!
Throwing intermediate skiers on long wide and slightly stiffer skis is a sure way to hinder their progress. People will get away with it if casual skiing big open bowls, deep snow, and wide groomers but if wanting to challenge tight steep terrain and MOGULS then forget it. Stay appropriate to your size and improve your technique. Enjoy the playful, energetic, and forgiving feel of a slightly shorter ski and it will put a huge smile on your face. You will know when it's time to jump up to the next size or level in your equipment. I do not recommend over sizing the TST, it's a great ski but I feel it skis very true to its length.
I love the Sir Francis Bacon, I have a couple reviews on it here. Very different ski than the TST. Way more surfy, smeary, and buttery. Very tight and short turn radius, a symmetrical feel to its shape. Rockered tail that releases when needed. Not near as powerful as the TST, it's more playful. The Bacon skis very short! The TST does not.
My son is 5'11" and 145lbs and he owns the 184cm SFB(well he thinks it's his ski), his height says 184cm but his weight could use the 178cm. He's growing so we stayed longer that way I can use it. You could really ski either length, pay closer attention to where you would mount the binding on the SFB. If you want true deep float then choose 184cm, if you want all mountain versatility and super playful then go 178cm.
Lot of info again but that's what I do!
Thanks a lot. I really appreciate your time to answer my questions. I am at Seattle and currently doing some research for my next season equipment. TST, Bacon, Soul 7 and Salomon Q105 are on my list. Thanks for your input on TST and Bacon. They are great information!
Since you are just doing research at this point don't forget the Sick day series. Next year Salomon has a new Rocker 100 that was very fun also, but it will be full price!
Brand new and high price or last years and low price??
I can't decide between the TST...
I can't decide between the TST and Line SFB. I'm an advanced skier in New Zealand and will be skiing mostly club fields this season where there are no groomers whatsoever (just a whole lot of big mountain, off piste skiing). Snow conditions are generally either new snow anywhere from 5-30cm deep or chopped up crud from people skiing the freshies the day before. I like to ski drops and pop off anything i can find on the mountain. Occasionally i will just charge a straight line down the mountain to race mates. Other times i will be mucking around off natural features trying to ski switch, land jumps switch or forward and play around.
Really need help to decide :/
You aren't going to make this easy for any of us in my opinion, two very different skis for sure.
Chopped up crud, occasionally charge straight down the mountain racing mates, big club fields = TST.
I like to ski drops and pop off everything. Other times i will be mucking around off natural features trying to ski switch, land jumps switch or forward and play around = SFB
I own a 184cm SFB(actually my sons skis, kind of) and use to own a 183 TST. Both phenomenal skis.
Fun, jibbier, buttery, surfy, softer, symmetrical ski shape, round short turns on groomers but very versatile - Bacon. FYI pay attention to mounting position depending on your size and what you are wanting this ski primarily for.
More power, better crud ski, stiffer mid section and tail, handle icy runs a little better, directional feel, and won't allow you to go over the tips in deep snow - TST. Better charging ski by far.
Bacon is one of the most fun skis I use but would not be my first choice as a hard charging crud ski trying to keep up with buddies. It will hold its own on groomers though, mid section is stout enough to carve like a dream with a very fun turn shape.
Hope that helps,
Having a tough time selecting a new daily...
Having a tough time selecting a new daily driver and have been checking out the TST, Prophet 98, and Icelantic Nomad RKR.
Looking for something that can do it all while make sure you're having a good time doing it. Like ripping town the mountain some days and being super playful on others. Sometime I want to lay in a carve, and sometimes I like to surf around a bit too.
I enjoy skiing groomers in bounds and getting into the deep stuff out of bounds. Looking to put a set of Dukes on these guys, so hoping for something that would be good as a touring ski as well.
I'm a 6' 185 lbs advanced-intermediat to advanced skier, but still occasionally get put into my backseat, so need a little spring to keep me upright at sometimes.
Any input would be helpful
Thanks in advance!!
I responded to your inquiry on the Head Cyclic 115 and asked a few other people that own them to give some advice.
Unfortunately this may take some time. I'm very familiar with the TST and Prophet 98 but no experience at all with the Icelantic. Icelantic gets very good reviews but I will stay clear of offering advice on that one.
TST and Prophet 98 are great skis and I could own either one of them for one ski quivers. Even though the prophet has the metal matrix in the ski it still remains very agile, nimble, and stable unless pushed really hard by bigger guys on firm snow. It just offers a very nice ride for all conditions and I've never heard anybody say they don't like them.
As far as the TST its another home run for many people. I owned one for awhile and I still own a JJ. Tst handled the crud and heavy snow better than a JJ, was a better groomer ski, held a carve easier than a JJ, and just more powerful. Still had incredible float in the deep too. Honestly every time I was on it I wished I was skiing my JJ's or my narrower Kendo depending on the day. But I have and always will have a quiver of skis. I found the TST stiffer through the midsection and tail than I like for a wider ski. I ski plenty of moguls big and small and in tight spaces the TST just felt long in the 183cm. Again this is just me and tons of people love the TST, it just depends what you are used to skiing and if you want a more rockered and surfier tail.The TST will through you into the backseat more than the Prophet 98 if trying to ski bumps aggressively I found. TST will float quite a bit better in the deep snow and the tip will stay on top of the nasty crud while the center and tail of the ski bomb right through it. More of a charger ski I feel than the Prophet.
TST= more float, better crud performance, just a wider and bigger platform to be landing and playing on in deeper snow. But is still quick in tight spaces and trees.
P98= more nimble, more traditional carving experience on groomers, tight turn radius, a combination of playful, damp, and smooth. All Lines have that feel in my opinion.
Either would be a great one ski option for you. If you spend more time on piste than off I would say Prophets. If you live in a place that gets quite a bit of snow, backcountry possibilities, and are wanting to improve in the nastier crud conditions then go TST.
Good luck and sorry for the split response, computer issues this morning.
Thanks a ton, this has been really helpful, the timely response is also really appreciated!
I'm 6' 185lbs; I'm having to choose between the P98 in 179 cm(only size available) vs the TST in 183, which ski would you recommend then (based off size)?
(Definitely want something that will help me make good turns when needed in tighter chutes while still being able to handle the deep days)
If you are wanting to make sure you have the better off piste performance, deep snow performance, just tackles crud with ease then go TST 183cm.
I would say P98 will be more nimble, quicker, more forgiving if thrown in the backseat, and feels softer in overall flex. Im afraid with your size that when you encounter deep snow you will be wanting more float out in front. Yes I think the P98 is teh easier one to pivot and crank turns in tighter shoots but the deep snow performance for people our size in the 179cm just isn't quite there. It was about 4-5 years ago but not by todays standards.
After a 15 year hiatus from skiing (I was...
After a 15 year hiatus from skiing (I was still snowboarding) I'm picking up a new pair of skis. I'm 5'11 and 175lbs. It's a toss up for me between the TST or the ARVti. What would be a good length for me to get. I plan on skiing all mountain, hard pack, groomers, trees and glades. I live on the east coast and spend about 2 weeks in Tahoe a year. Will either of those skis work for me?
That is a tough choice between those two skis for sure. The TST will float better with the more pronounced rocker in the tip and little bit wider waist. TST may not have any metal in it but it is still a strong ski with a stiff midsection and firm non rockered tail. I found that mine carved very good trenches on firm pack and held a great edge all the way through the turn. Turn radius on the TST was fun too, its fairly small because the widest part of the tip is pulled back. The tip may have a minor flap to it while bombing down the groomers but if you never look down you would never know it.
I personally haven't skied the new Arvti but with a top and bottom layer of metal in it, narrower waist, not as severe tip rocker to it I'm sure it rails hard pack without a speed limit. It will be smoother and more damp than the TST and hold on to firmer conditions better. Honestly both skis will do very well in leftover powder and crud.
I think if you favor groomed runs over off piste and willing to give up a little bit of float then ARVti will do great for you. If you want to preserve as much deep snow performance as you can then go TST.
Im going to recommend the 183cm TST, and the 178cm ARVti for lengths. Im 6'1" 178lbs and thats the lengths I would choose hands down. I ski at least 30 times a year and have for many many years and spend a lot of time in moguls so I choose my lengths to remain bump friendly.
I hope this helps and maybe some other people will jump on your question as well. Good luck and let me know what you decide to go for.
I don't really favor groomed runs, at my local mountain that's all there is because there is no off-piste, but when I go VT there is off-piste and in Tahoe there is off-piste. I like going in the trees and glades when I can too but I enjoy playing all over the mountain minus the park so it sounds like the TST would be a better choice, but I'm also looking at the Line Sick Day 95 and the Moment PB&J, do you have any suggestions on those, I want a ski I can progress into because I plan to keep skiing so I don't mind a better ski that will last me a good amount of time. You don't think the 183cm would be to long for me since I'm getting back into skiing and gonna be in trees? Thanks again!
SD 95 is a great option as well. The SD 95 didn't have one characteristic that really stood out but it did everything extremely well. In my opinion the Tst is a more powerful ski that will have better float on the deep days and tolerate busted up heavy crud better. The SD95 was more fun in the moguls due it's tail and just easier to swing around. The rear half of the ski releases easier due to its slight rockered tail. Remember the Tst has a twin tail without any rocker in it. Don't get me wrong though, the SD 95 did great on groomers, could alter turn shapes with ease and I found it stable through the mid section and tail. Tip is soft but that makes it fun in my opinion. I did ski the Line in a foot of nice snow one night and the float was impressive.
My personal favorite of the two is SD95 but again I'm a mogul guy that prefers a looser surfier tail when I need it. I wish they made a 182cm or so, I found the 179 a little short and the 186 a little long but oh well.
I think the 183cm Tst might ski a little long for you but you would have to decide for yourself about going down a size. 179sd might be a good compromise.
SD has a smooth feel to it, almost like a layer of rubber in it which I enjoyed on firm groomers.
More power and float go TST, more nimble and agile and I feel more overall fun go SD95. Again just my take on the two.
Sorry for adding to your confusion but I'm just going to throw one ski into the mix for you that has been a proven winner for few years. Line Prophet 98 in 179cm. Safe And easy decision and you can probably fine some sweet deals right now.
Keep me posted!
I'm torn between the SD95, TST or PB&J. It seems like the PB&J has the best of both based on what I read on blistergear.com and what you said about the SD95 and TST. The PB&J is nimble and can bust through chop and crud. This is quite possibly my toughest decision. I will keep you posted on what I decide on. Thanks for all your help. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me.
It's tough when you've been out of the ski world for awhile, so many new shapes and technologies to confuse the hell out of everybody. I know my gear very well and I struggle when it comes to buy a ski, even demo days don't help that much. Wrong snow, wrong size, bad weather, only a run or two, etc..
My advice to you specifically is don't get to many skis in your head at once, it's overwhelming and frustrating. If you have the chance to get your hands on them then pick the one that just appeals to many of your senses. Looks good, has a good weight balance to the ski, you like the look of the rocker/camber profile when sandwiched together, etc.. Sometimes when you stand next to the ski some of them just match up to your height better than others. I know the Moment will probably be the heavier of the skis but that's about all I know, reviews always good.
Just remember if you haven't bought skis in a very long time anything you pick will be incredible!! You're very welcome for the help and that's why I'm here, pick my brain.
I found a good deal on the K2 Kung Fujas, what are you thoughts on those in a 179cm for me? I've narrowed it down to the SD95, TST or now the Kung Fujas based on reviews.
Only experience I have would be that I owned a K2 Obsethed for awhile before they went really wide. If my memory serves correctly my Obsethed shape transferred to the Kung Fujas for a bit. I honestly loved my Obsethed, it was like a hovercraft going over anything. Probably one of the smoothest crud skis I've ever skied because of the construction and wrap of the ski. It was very soft in longitudinal flex but that just allowed me to bend it and trench groomers. Staying centered was necessary to not over power the shovels.
Only negatives I had for it was typical K2 heavy swing weight and I've learned to really enjoy light swing weight skis more. SD will be lighter but have a similar feel on the snow. Line is not typically as damp as K2 skis are and it will remain more playful due to its narrower width. Again the TST will be the more powerful ski of the three.
How does this work for a heavy weight? I'm...
How does this work for a heavy weight? I'm 6'5"/245/55yo looking for an easy skiing all mountain ski mostly for trees, needs to be stable for some high speed crusing , and not too much work for slow speed family days and light bumps.
I think it should work fine for you. Other skis in similar category are Blizzard Bonafide or Kabookie, Atomic Alibi, and Line Prophet 98 just to name a few.
I forgot to mention I'm 5'8 and weigh 125...
I forgot to mention I'm 5'8 and weigh 125 lb. would the 174 be a good length for me? And should I be considering the women's version?
Look at Lexi's review of the TSTw on Blistergearreview.com. She is a very aggressive female, Im pretty sure she is shorter than you so keep in mind her size when you are reading the review. You could honestly choose the mens or women's version. Usually they soften up the women's versions and modify the mounting position slightly for the ladies but I can't say for sure on this model. You could maybe try calling Armada or Backcountry in the morning to verify. If I get a chance I will try but my work schedule is tight. I think 174cm is the correct size for you based on your height, your weight could almost go for the 165. I thought the TST skied a little long to me and I think that was Lexi's take on them as well. But I think with all the terrain you encounter the 174cm is the smart choice.
Sorry for the delayed response to your questions but I was hoping someone else would jump in. I don't have any experience with DPS or the K2 Dawn Patrol, they aren't my color:)
Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions,
Thanks so much for your input. I read her reviews for the TST as well VJJs and both were very helpful. :)
You're welcome. Don't be afraid to ask if you need anything else. Its a little hard to keep track of replies on the forums but I usually scan things everyday. I use my wife as a great resource for women's questions when needed.
Hey Zuzana, in case you are still wondering there is NO difference between the TST and the TSTw save the graphic on the topsheets and the fact that the TSTw is available in a shorter length and is not produced in the 182cm or 193cm versions as the TST is. Otherwise it is the exact same ski - Armada didn't make any women's specific tweaks to the TSTw for 2013-2014.
I am looking for telemark skis intended...
I am looking for telemark skis intended mostly for touring and the occasional turns at the hill and am considering the TSTs 174 as well as the DPS Yvette 112 hybrid. I'm a strong skier, both tele and downhill, and ski open and treed terrain from mellow to very rugged and deep powder to wind blown and crust. I'm wanting a ski that will also make trail braking easier meaning the tips rise rather than sink and are relatively light.
Right now I tele on K2 Dawn Patrol 167 cm and find them too short. I downhill on Rossignol s3 178 cm and they are good fit.
The TST makes for a great Tele Set up , I have a couple friends that are extremely happy with the TST for their Tele skis.
I am seriously considering a pair of TSTs...
I am seriously considering a pair of TSTs for a new, powder oriented touring set up. I want something less specialized and more versatile than the Wailer 112's (something less expensive would also be nice), and think that the mid-fat 102 width would serve me well. I would be mounting these with Dynafit Radical ST's, which I've had on a pair of K2 Backups for the past two seasons.
In bounds, I ski Super 7's in the 188 length on powder days, Moment PB&J 188's as a crud/rock ski, and the Nordica Doberman Spitfire 176's as a front-side carver.
As a backcountry/mountaineering ski, I am tempted to size down to the 183 TST, but the reviews all say that is skis short. If it was going to be an inbounds ski, I'd go for the 192. Any advice?
I'm an aggressive advanced to expert skier, 6 feet, 180 lbs. I ski all conditions, but most enjoy steep couloirs and tight trees.
I find it funny that people thing they ski short, because I don't think they do at all. The 183 TST has been my daily driver two years and I really enjoy their light weight. I'm similar in height and weight and I've never thought they skied short. I think the 183 would be even better for what you want them to do (trees, etc.). People have really caught on that the TST is one of the best touring setups out there, I'm jealous of your quiver!
I owned the 183cm Tst for awhile and would have never wanted it any longer. Because of the stiffer non rockered tail I thought it skied plenty long.
I too did not find the women's version (TSTw) to ski NEARLY as short as I expected. I have spent a great deal of time on the women's JJ (VJJ) as well, and found it to ski very short, whereas the TST did not. I actually tried both the 174 and 168cm and was way more comfy on the shorter length, though I adore the 175cm VJJ and would NEVER size down on that model. TST doesn't ski that short.
I'm thinking about buying me a pair of...
I'm thinking about buying me a pair of TST, but I'm not sure about the length. I measure 6 '/ 175 lbs. Is that someone has already experienced the 192cm. Is it something long to ski with. Thank you
I'm a huge fan of the 183s and I think your height and weight would fit the 183 well. Like I said above, I don't think they ski short at all so the 183 would be perfect for you. I haven't skied the 192 though...but I sure haven't ever wished my TSTs were any longer. I'm 6'2" by the way and a very aggressive skier.
Does anyone know the main differences...
Does anyone know the main differences between the women's and the men's TST? I demo skied the TST men's and really liked it so I'm debating whether I get the women's version or stick with the men's ski that I tried. For reference I'm 5'10" and 125 lbs and a type 3+ skier. (was planning on purchasing the 174 legnth) THANKS!
I believe the only difference, besides the graphics, is the flex. I think the TSTW has more flex because women typically weigh less, etc. So I guess it depends on your style of skiing. I'd just stick with the men's version if you like them! Plus the men's graphics are cooler anyways...
Looking for an all mountain ski for the...
Looking for an all mountain ski for the east coast. Love the trees, bumps, crud, powder. Will these do well on the east coast ice and hard pack groomers as well, since thats what we get a lot of. Any other ski suggestions if these aren't the ones for me?
This ski has a great rocker for chewing through crud and a stiffer tail to help pop you out of bumps and cut through trees. It's got a nice camber to help you edge out on the ice... I definitely think this is the ski for you. I did get some chatter when I was moving through a really hardpacked/icy groomer at top speeds, but that's to be expected when moving that fast. I def think this would be a good choice for East Coast skiing.
I'm searchin' for more tail!
I'm searchin' for more tail!
Im wondering how these floats in powder compared to hell bents (I've got the 2011's)?
nice rocker up front to help you float... I'm not familiar with the hell bents, but I think this is a great all mountain ski that has fabulous powder performance.
Great West Coast Ski
Awesome ski for the West. Solid tip rocker that helps float in soft packed powder. At 102 under foot this thing rips! ARMADA #1
I am looking for a new pair of...
I am looking for a new pair of skis for this upcoming season. More of an All Mountain ski since it will be mostly east coast until possibly the spring. I was comparing the TST and the El Rey. I am 5'10 215 and was wondering what the best ski choice would be for mainly East Coast skiing with some West like Colorado and Utah in the mix as well.
This would be a good ski for you but I would also recommend looking at the Armada JJ and the Rossi Soul 7 for all mountain ski that do well in varied conditions. If you need some convincing about the versatility of this ski you don't have to look any further than the review left by Alex A immediately below.
Jake, the TST would make a great all mountain ski for the east coast. I ski them in Utah for all conditions in a 183cm
East Coast...West Coast? Who Cares!
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
I had my first runs with these skis which I bought while praying that they would not mush out. I was looking for one pair of skis to do it all. I normally ski on Volkls. Here is my low down of first impressions:
Skier: Advanced, racing background, 5'10/ 180lbs
Ski Size: 192cm
Bindings: Salomon Guardian 16
//Early season, mainly man made snow, hard pack to icy, some sections had golf balls and chopped crud//
I was astonished to see how the ski performed on these conditions. The skis gave me the same solid grip as my Volkl under foot. Although the turning radius is slightly longer the grip of the tail is very good...not to say awesome. The behavior at low speed is great and it carries its speed on the flats. I took it on an icy course with SG turns and it's surprisingly stable. It's not a race ski (of course) but it hold it's own. Does the tips vibrate at high speeds? A little, but this doesn't hinder the performance at all. It really shines when you are turning a radius between slightly longer than slalom and GS. I was also surprised when I took it in the golf balls. I thought I would be losing it because it is wide, but the skis tracked like there was nothing there. This is a very easy ski to put on edge and you don't need to fight with it. You only need to roll your ankles in, be centered on them and the front oversized portion of the tip will initiate the turn. The only little Oummff needed is when you are forcing the ski to go in a very short radius. It goes and it does it well, but you need to push on it a little. There was no tail slip what so ever on crud and ice. If you are worried about that big front rocker...don't worry about it. You'll be thankful of having it when the weather channel calls for 30" of snow.
Go and multiply!!...I'm very happy with these skis. My only downside, the weight of the Guardians ;)
Armada TST's in AK
I liked the TST in Alaska because they climb well, and go hard when I want them to.
Hi - I'm 5'11 180lbs, expert level east...
Hi - I'm 5'11 180lbs, expert level east coast based skier, take ~2 trips per year to UT,CO,WY. I'm looking for a ski that can serve as my east coast ski on deeper days/west ski, which I'm also planning to use as my AT setup (probably dynafit TLT radical ST bindings?). I've done some research and I'm torn between purchasing the 183'' TST or something a bit stiffer, like the Blizzard Cochise 185''. I tend to spend a lot of my time skiing trees and bumps, and I'd probably still use my Volkl Kendos for thinner icier days. Any expert advice would be much appreciated, thanks in advance!
I found that this ski is plenty stiff for almost anything you can throw at it. The rocker in the tip will help it turn quickly in the bumps and trees while helping to keep the ski afloat when skiing pow. The camber under foot helps this ski rail turns with ease and the ski is pretty stiff going back from the rockered tip. This ski is also lighter than the Cochise and in my opinion is a better ski for a dynafit binding. The tips on these will get some chatter when skiing fast through crud or on ice but the rest of the ski will still be responsive. Both skis would do well back east on pow days and out west most days.
I ski both the TST and the Cochise and, based on what you describe, I strongly recommend the TST. The Cochise is a great ski for bigger, higher speed lines, but for me I found them not to be as nimble and playful when it comes to trees, bumps, and tighter lines. My TSTs are mounted with Dynafits and are my touring ski, but I ride them at the resort all the time as well. They do struggle a bit at high speeds, especially because the tip is so light, and they aren't quite as much fun in pow as the Cochise. Also, I think the tail could be a little stiffer as I've had them wash out on me in steep, higher consequence couliours. That being said, I've had no issue skiing up to about 16 inches of powder with them, but they start to struggle if the snow is thick or much over my thighs. I'm 5'10", 175 and ride a 183. It skies a little short, so if I wasn't using it for touring, I'd ride a 192. Bottom line, they are a great do-everything ski that will fit your needs perfectly. Oh, and as a final plug, Armada is just a great company that's always doing good things for the community. Hope that helps.
Im 5'7 and 115 and I'm an expert level...
Im 5'7 and 115 and I'm an expert level skier. I'm really torn about what kind of ski to get. I'm looking for something that can float but still rip at high speeds on groomers and varying snow types. Would the tst be a good fit? If not do u have any other suggestions?
Zach - where do you ski? Do you like stiffer skis or something a bit more playful? If you want a charger that floats, I like the new 4FRNT Devastator...
...and the Blizzard Cochise.
The TST is a great ski but you will get a lot of flap in the tip if you are not in soft snow. The Cochise and Devastator are pretty big radius skis, so if you want something a bit more turny and a touch softer you could also check out the Salomon Rocker2 108...
If you're on the east coast and need a narrower ski,the Rocker2 and the Cochise both come in narrower waisted versions that go by different names but are essentially slimmer versions of the same ski.
TST is an awesome choice for an all mountain ski that ready to shred all snow conditions. IT's very light weight making it extremely playful in deep snow and nimble through tight trees.
The other Ski that I would recommend for a little more stability at high speeds on hardpack days would be the ARMADA ARVti. Skied these all last season and they are incredible. 99 mm waist with a little bit of early rise gives you plenty of float for the deep stuff then add two sheets of metal for stability at insane speeds. Not to mention they're built by ARMADA, the best thing to happen to skiing since the one-piece. Check them out: