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The original Elf Shoe, the Armada JJ remains a step ahead of the competition in one-shape-fits-all versatility. A board that must be skied to be believed, the JJ has plenty of girth to float in the deep and enough sidecut to rail hardpack. With its EST Freeride Rocker profile that holds when you want it to and releases on command for slashy smears and butters, the JJ has remained the most in-demand ski in the game since its debut two seasons ago. Armada gave the JJ an AR50 sidewall and Hybrid Ultralight Core to concentrate weight below the bootsole and minimize swing weight for easy spins and agile turning.

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What's with two different graphics?

What's with two different graphics?

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December 31, 2011

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On the left pair is a picture of the topsheet. The right pair is a shot of the base of the same skis.

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January 1, 2012

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I'm 6'4" about 200lbs and i'm curious on which

I'm 6'4" about 200lbs and i'm curious on which size for next year.. either the 185 or the 195 ak jj. the only thing is i don't do much hard charging.. yet. but can anyone give me any recommendations? this will primarily be my bigger mountain/pow ski

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June 28, 2011

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If you want big mountain and pow for your height the 195 is the way to go

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July 1, 2011

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Rating for this product: 5

The Ultimate Skis

By: Backcountry.com Sponsored Athlete
August 27, 2010

I swear by these skis. For the last 3 seasons they have been my one ski quiver. In the powder they perform incredibly, doing anything you want them to, with no effort. One of the best parts about them is the way they transition from the powder to anything you put in front of them. Ice, crud, slop, rocks, whatever. They just about handle everything with ease. If you're looking for one ski that can do it all, or just the maddest pow ski out there, this is the one.

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December 22, 2010

I ride the 185cm and I mount them about 1-2 inches back from core center. I have not had any problems with chipping, although I sliced some sidewall off during a tumble through some trees once, no biggie.

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September 23, 2010

Ian i was just wondering if you ski the 185cm and if you mount them at the factory recommended position?

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By: Backcountry.com Sponsored Athlete
September 7, 2010

No problems. The cap/sidewall construction are solid. It seems to be very durable. I had an accident with my skis last year and sliced a piece of the cap/topsheet out, but that was my fault.

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September 7, 2010

do you have a problem with the sidewalk or sides chopping when you cross skis? i had a problem like that from the 2008 amarda pipcleaners

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JP Auclair

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August 27, 2010

If you know about the JJ's, than you must certainly know about one of the skis creators, JP Auclair. Here he demonstrates that the skis handle beautifully in choppy, chunder-slop conditions. park, pipe, pow, or chow, JJ's handle business.

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VJJ

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February 7, 2011

next years womens JJ

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March 7, 2011

Best ski name ever! It made my girlfriend blush.

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Alright....got some JJs, need to get my Axls on them. Any recs

Alright....got some JJs, need to get my Axls on them. Any recs for this tele mount?

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March 20, 2011

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I have 185 cm JJs mounted with Axls. Mine are mounted with Scarpa T-2s which have a midsole mark on them mounted over the mounting line on the JJs. I loove the combo. My friend had his mounted about 3 CMs back from that point. I don't like that quite as well, but they still ski great.

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April 16, 2011

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August 27, 2010

The JJ's in their prime environment. Soft, consolidated powder spines await the precise sculpting delivered by the Armada JJ.

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Sizing for 5.9 female Teleskier!.. I need a ski for the crud,

Sizing for 5.9 female Teleskier!..

I need a ski for the crud, pretty much...and am stuck between the JJ and the CRJ's....I have a pair of Icelantic Keepers at 167 for the deep day's and a pair of S3's at 169 for hardpack. I love the Keepers in the pow, but they sure are a handful in the heavy crud/chop, so its not an every day ski. I live in Whistler , we get a lot of chop/bumps..

So I'm looking at an Armada JJ or a CRJ to become my go to ski for all but super deep and hardpack...actually if they do well in deep , I will ski them in deep too :)...but crud and chop is what I need a ski for...the S3's are just getting bounced around too much.

I'm an intermediate/advanced tele skier...will the 175 be to long of a platform in tele stance going through choppy bumps and trees ? should I wait and et next years 165...also...JJ versus CRJ's? ...thought on use in crud/chop

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March 4, 2011

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If you are under 140 Lbs, the 175 would be great. Especially if you are on alpine gear, the 165 will be way too short at 5'9" tall unless you weigh about 90 Lbs! The 175 probably only has 150 CMs or so on the snow on a groomer. They are so easy to ski and ski short that going too short would be very easy. I'm sending my 185s to my son in Alaska, and will get a new pair. He weighs about 145 Lbs, at 5'8" tall. We have them mounted with telemark bindings (Axls, see review above). BTW, buy them for the crud, but you wont ski anything else. I have 60 days in this year, 3 on other skis...and all three days I wished I'd had my JJs, and those were dedicated bump days, here in Utah.

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April 16, 2011

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Rating for this product: 5

All that!

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February 26, 2011

I am a gaper from Kansas. I bought the 185 to be my everyday driver. Everyday skiing for me includes pow stashes, tree bashing, park jumps, ripping off piste in any conditions. Wow, this ski makes crud fun, carves, slashes, rides switch ,turns in trees better than any ski I've ever owned. Like to straight line in any surface condition? This is ur boy. I would trust this ski in any big mountain situation. Simply incredible!

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ak jj and jj

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February 7, 2011

new super s7 clone from armada and the regular jj has a new length.

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Sizing... I'm a 5'6", 135lb female ski bum. I'm

Sizing...

I'm a 5'6", 135lb female ski bum. I'm a pretty advanced skier. I'm not getting sponsored any time soon and I'm not entering any of the extreme skiing comps, but I ski with the guys (picture me and 4 dudes) and I have no trouble keeping up- small cliffs, chutes, trees, powder, crud, wind crust. I ski mostly in Colorado, so generally it's light fluffy snow, and I tend to stay on the resort, so that means I end up skiing lots of crud and moguls. I tried the JJs in the 175 and they were mostly awesome (although not amazing in the bumps), but on the groomers they skied terrifyingly short, so I'm leaning towards the 185 (which I haven't gotten to ski) and wondered if anyone concurred. The last two pairs of skis I bought (K2s) I went conservative on length and I regretted it both times, but a 185 is a big jump from what I'm on now. Any thoughts?

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February 19, 2011

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175 will be right choice for you. I'm 5'7" expert skier and I have 175. I would prefer 180, but they don't make JJs in this length. I've mounted bindings on Armada's recommended line. I mostly ski powder and it's great.

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February 20, 2011

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I am an expert level, 195# very fit male and the 185 is plenty of ski for me, so I thinkit would be too much ski for someone your size. Talk to ski mechanic about possibly mounting the binding a couple of centimeters farther forward than normal, which will make the ski easier to turn in the bumps and trees. That said, the elf-shoe-rocker technology really works - they are very easy to turn/smear/surf.

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February 19, 2011

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August 27, 2010

Skiing tight, techy lines are no problem for these skis. With the rocker in the tip and tail of the ski, the effective edge is much shorter allowing for tight turns and lighter swing weight.

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I am looking for a good beginner touring ski. is this a good

I am looking for a good beginner touring ski. is this a good one, also what are other ideas?

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February 17, 2011

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INSANE SKIS!!!!!!

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December 20, 2010

These skis kill it--everything!
theres nothing these skis cannot do.
I took them out for the first time today with 13 inches of new snow and they were amazing!
They keep you floating above the powder and the 5-dimension sidecut makes it really easy to slash your turns.
They are OKAY on the groomers, especially for a pow ski they are actually pretty sweet.
They are really snappy but very stable as well
these are basically the best all mountain powder ski on the market!!

By the way....
I am 5'6" and 125 lbs.
I ski the 175 cm length
I have marker griffons mounted on them at the recommended mounting point

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hi, i'm 6" 3 and 190 and i'm looking for some playful

hi,
i'm 6" 3 and 190 and i'm looking for some playful skis especially for trees and backcountry. i'm skiing 190 legend pros and i like them for the alpine but not for the trees.
would you suggest to wait for the 195 jj or go for the 185?

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February 13, 2011

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EVM GP MRB

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August 11, 2011

JJ's in deep pow.

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How does this ski compare to the Rossi S7's? I'm 5'9",

How does this ski compare to the Rossi S7's? I'm 5'9", 165lbs and intermediate skier. I currently ski the Prophet 100 (172cm) but am looking for a rockered ski. Seems the JJ and S7 are the top skis out this year. Could I get away w/ 175cm or need to go 185cm? I'm not sure how these will compare to my Prophets. Gracias.

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February 5, 2011

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I'd say the two are pretty close to comparable. I've skied them both, and would be happier with either. The JJ's seemed lighter to me. But if you skied the S7 you skied the JJ as a rule of thumb.

The 175 is going to ride like a much shorter ski. What sorta conditions/where do you ride at? I'm 5'11", 175 and an expert (cough, cough) skier. I ride the 185's myself, but I think you could get away with the 175. I'd say the 175 is good for where you are now, but the 185 might be good for where you want to go. If your happy, or don't plan on becoming a full time ski-bum-rat, get the 175 and ride the crap outta them, if your looking to step up with 50+ days a season, go 185, and hang on till you get them down.

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March 8, 2011

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August 27, 2010

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Ive decided its time to buy a pair of jj's but cant decide

Ive decided its time to buy a pair of jj's but cant decide which size to get, im 5"8 and 150lbs and like skiing mainly in trees. i will be coming off a pair of 176 bluehouse districts which didnt really have enough flex or pop for my liking. any thoughts? also wondering if these can be used as a touring ski? cheers

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January 31, 2011

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They ski short due to the rocker, and are extremely playful and quick. Go longer. I Have the JJ's mounted with Marker Baron's for touring. If the ride down is more important than the hike up, then these will do everything you need in a touring ski. Not as light as Black Diamonds, but once you ride them, you will thank yourself for skinning with the extra weight.

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March 1, 2011

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so sick

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December 8, 2010

these skis are the best pow skis that you can also rock on any other part of the mountain. you can rip almost everything in them which is awesome for such a big ski

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I am 6'2 and 200 lbs advanced skiier and was wondering what

I am 6'2 and 200 lbs advanced skiier and was wondering what size i should get?

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January 17, 2011

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for this year, the 185cm is the biggest size, which you would need. Look out for a 195 cm AK/JJ coming out next year. its big.

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January 19, 2011

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I am 5 feet tall, would the 175 work for me.

I am 5 feet tall, would the 175 work for me.

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January 16, 2011

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Yeah, I just saw the 2012 versions, they come in 165's, I'll probably go with those. or will those be too small for i am still growing.

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February 2, 2011

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yes, they would. They might be a touch big, but you have to remember that they ski a bit shorter than the advertised 175cm length, this is do to the rocker profile.

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January 19, 2011

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I need a ski with 25% crud 25% groom 50% powder would this ski

I need a ski with 25% crud 25% groom 50% powder would this ski work well, also how do they compare to volkl chopstick, obsethed, and moment bibby.

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January 16, 2011

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sounds like the jj's would be perfect for you. They handle all of those conditions exceptionally well.

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January 19, 2011

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Sick Sticks

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December 17, 2010

The JJ's are probably the most versatile ski's out there. They are super light and nimble so you can kill it all. I have mine mounted at the factory recommended with marker dukes.

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The question we all ask ourselves, These, k2 sidestash, volkl

The question we all ask ourselves, These, k2 sidestash, volkl katana?

Also, are these stiff, or playful?

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January 4, 2011

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These....

The JJ's have a stiff flex, allowing you to power through high speed scenarios and stomp cliffs. The rocker is pretty significant though. add that to the stiff flex and what you have is a stable, yet playful profile.

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January 8, 2011

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I'm almost ready to buy this ski, unless I can find a better

I'm almost ready to buy this ski, unless I can find a better one, but I'm not sure what size to get Im 5'9 and 130 lbs,17 years old and still growing. I ski Snowbird as an intermediate skier and my skiing abilities are rapidly improving. It seems most of the serious locals have longer skis and boards. What bindings are good for this ski.

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December 30, 2010

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You should get the 185's. You will be able to manage them now, at your size, but you'll also be able to grow into them, becoming more comfortable as the skis help you progress. By the time you are done growing you'll know how to ride those things anywhere. Also, they are the best skis for snowbird, hands down.

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I just tried the JJ 175cm and loved them. I am going to buy

I just tried the JJ 175cm and loved them. I am going to buy a pair, but am debating what size to buy. There is not a 185cm pair for me to demo. I loved the quick turns from the 175cm and had no problem with these skis in 24 inches of fresh powder or in the crud or even on the groomed runs. However, one sale person recommended that I go with the 185cm (the other sales person recommended the 175cm if I liked the fast turns). I am 6'0" and my weight ranges from 210 to 240lbs. Any advice on which size to buy?

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December 30, 2010

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Hi Rob, I am 6'0" and weigh 210 and ski the 185s. I mostly ski in the WA Cascades, but I also ski eastern WA and ID, and I go cat skiing every year in BC. Fat, floaty skis are great in this environment, and the JJs turn very quickly for their size. Very quickly. As you would expect, they are not great on hardpack, and you have to remain alert on cat tracks as they have a tendency to catch an edge due to the relatively short length of sidecut. For that reason, I don't consider them a one-ski-quiver kind of ski for out here. For your weight range, I strongly recommend the 185's, but mount the bindings a bit fwd of where you normally mount.

BTW, I am a telemark skier and I have no problem riding these thru soft bumps - they are that quick. When I was cat skiing in BC last spring, the lodge owner's son was riding JJs...

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January 5, 2011

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Absolute Blast

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December 25, 2010

Skied them all day on hardpack and small moguls with a little loose snow. Amazing ski, railed on groomers with incredible edge hold throughout entire turn. I had more fun on them than my Kendos this day, that 14m sidecut felt llike my old Tornadosand would lock up like crazy and not slide out. Small bumps were a blast, swivel, spin, zip line, no problem, just don't take them into deep troughs because they are a stiff ski that can put you in the backseat. Stay balanced and no problems. There is a reason they are sold out again!!!

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Snowbird JJ heaven

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August 31, 2010

High Baldy in Mid May = EPIC

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Hey I'm 5'7 165lbs and a aggressive skier in trees, cliffs

Hey I'm 5'7 165lbs and a aggressive skier in trees, cliffs and everything else I encounter. I've been on the Armada ARV 185 and they been a great ski but sometimes in hairy situations I would find the ski a bit to long. I'm looking for advise on size, should I go with the 185's again or go down to the 175's since the JJ is a much wider ski. I also skied the Gotama 183's for powder days. Only ski out west but for only 4 weeks out of the year. So I need a one ski quiver and heard only good things about the JJ. I'm sold on the ski just need to figure out what size to order. Please help me I'm having a hard time trying to decide. I know they are supposed to ride shorter so i'm almost afraid of getting the 175 but this is where you guys come in.

Thanks,

Nick

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December 29, 2010

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It sounds like you could go either way. They do ski quite a bit shorter than the actual length. If you have skied on 183 cm's before, than the JJ 185's will be much easier to manage. If you are a solid skier, and can handle some bigger rides, than you can surely benefit from the 185's, especially on any deep powder days.

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January 8, 2011

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Hi, I'm interested in buying a pair of JJ. However I'm

Hi, I'm interested in buying a pair of JJ. However I'm not sure about the size. I'm 6'1" for 170 pounds - I already own some '09/10 KF so i would only use my JJ's for big powder days and in terrain such as couloir. Is the 185 long enough for me ? Isn't it too short ? (Should I look for some 192 Bentchelter ?)

By the way are the JJ good on harder snow that we can sometimes find while touring ? (JJ are more versatile than the Bent when there isn't tons of fresh powder or when I want to ski some couloirs ?)

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December 22, 2010

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The 185cm would fit you well. I'm about your size, and I use them for everything, including couloirs. The best part about them is they ride exceptionally well on hard, choppy snow. Of course they rip in the pow! Great touring ski as well.

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Hi I'm a west all mountain aggressive skier I'm 5'8"

Hi I'm a west all mountain aggressive skier I'm 5'8" 180lbs I am skiing on last years Kung fujas and love them but I'm looking for a more powder ski whith high tip and tail rocker. I have been looking at the jj or hellbent and some insight would be awesome thanks

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December 15, 2010

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choose the JJ or CRJ. they will offer variety in your quiver and the ability to change up the skis depending on the conditions. nothing like replacing an old set of skis with something that is exactly the same. these will give something to ride in the upper elevations at the resort.

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December 16, 2010

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I am 5'4 (163 cm) and i want to buy a powder but i dont know

I am 5'4 (163 cm) and i want to buy a powder but i dont know what powder ski, i was thinking of the Sir Francis Bacon or the Hellbent but i dont know if my height is all right for the Hellbent. I love de JJ but i cant buy them with my height whay ski can you recommend me?

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December 3, 2010

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175 cm JJ is going to make you a hero. Early rise tip and tail will make it ski shorter, so you'll be fine going for a longer ski than you'd normally consider.
For powder skiing, and any type of skiing for that matter, if you charge hard and like to go fast, it's best to have a ski that is taller than you.
If you really think it's too much, you could also look into the 4FRNT CRJ at 172cm.
The SFB or Hellbent is a very different ski than the JJ or CRJ. Early rise and early taper in the JJ and CRJ make for great crud busting, and no chance of catching an edge. The 'bents and Bacons have a traditional sidecut, and will give you a more "hooky" feeling coming into a turn. This will allow for a more playful feel in powder.
I feel that the early taper combined with a little camber underfoot offers the best combination of hardpack and powder performance.
The JJ or the CRJ would be the best choice if you want one ski that will make you a hero in any type of snow.

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December 7, 2010

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Great First Day

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December 1, 2010

Roughly a foot of heavy untracked snow and they were awesome. Light, quick, snappy, and floated well. Definitely stiffer than my older Obsetheds in the tip and tails but much quicker to slice around in that heavy snow. The turning radius is VERY short but not overbearing to the point of annoying. I could still control the turn shape to whatever style I wanted. Awesome in deep snow moguls and trees. Although a very glassy and bouncy feel once the snow got all busted up and mountains of mashed potatoes were everywhere. I would say that I liked my Obsethed's and Manra's better in those conditions, nothing beats the butter smooth hovercraft ride of K2 whens it like that. They carved great slalom turns and edge hold was great, a little hooky though but they just need a better bevel under foot I noticed, too sharp. I can't wait to try them again when I can see better and the snow is colder. Very happy so far!

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185 JJ vs 189 Obsethed

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December 1, 2010

I can't speak on the new Obsethed's but the previous seasons are a great ski. Just tried my JJ's for the first time today and was very pleased. Light, quick, snappy, tons of fun. Conditions weren't the greatest but I found 10' of untracked heavy snow for awhile and they slayed it. Much easier on my bad knee for swinging around. My 179 Obsethed's got heavy and buried sometimes, these don't at all. I got the 185 JJ and they feel perfect. Two totally different feeling ski designs though. K2 is buttery smooth hovercraft, JJ is a glassy light little more nervous feeling when it's crudded up. Hoping to try them again this weekend. Plus my new Kendo's!

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I am looking at armada JJ ski. I'm 5'10'' 140

I am looking at armada JJ ski. I'm 5'10'' 140 lbs and intemdiate/avdanced skier looking to get into a do it all ski. I ski the east, and will make 2 trips out west this year. What length would better suit me? 175 or 185. I understand they are a quick turning ski. I enjoy the bumps and trees.

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November 30, 2010

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Keep in mind it's not a true length due to the reverse camber in the tip and tail. Unless your in the deep stuff they will not have their true running length engaged. Outside of powder your looking at them riding almost 10 cm shorter. I'm 5'6 and my 175s still feels short (even in powder). This is an amazing all mountain ski, is extremely playful, and will turn on a dime in the tight trees of the east, but with your stats in would go with the 185.

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December 12, 2010

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If you get the 185 you'll be able to go faster, and stomp bigger. Go for a ski that's taller than you. You're tall enough to go for the 185, and your weight will not be that much of a factor.
I really don't think 185 will be too long at all, and will keep you more centered and stable in choppy conditions.
175 may feel a little short, due to the large amount of tip and tail early-rise.
It'll be easy for you to get used to a longer ski, but if you're on something too short, you're going to feel like you're wheeling out and not have that stability of a longer running length that is necessary for fast speeds, big drops, or railing big turns on steeps.
If you're going to be in tight trees more than anywhere else, a 175 might be better for you, but the 185 will still make snappy turns and be responsive enough to make those emergency snap-turns you need to avoid those thick maples.
Enjoy!

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December 7, 2010

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I agree 175!!!

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December 2, 2010

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these are really nimble but for the east... get the 175

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November 30, 2010

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I would suggest the 175, typically I would say go 185, but you are pretty light and the east coast's conditions dont make it necessary to go with the bigger ski. The 175 will be a fun, nimble ski for banging out laps in the trees, or on the groomers. 185 might just be too long for that east coast hardpack.

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November 30, 2010

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what sizes do these come in?

what sizes do these come in?

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November 26, 2010

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175 & 185.

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November 26, 2010

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How do these ride as tele skis? What bindings?

How do these ride as tele skis? What bindings?

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November 18, 2010

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Axls if you'll be doing any sort of backcountry riding. Hammerheads are the only other binder I'd consider for these skis. If you're considering getting this ski, you are probably a fairly aggressive skier, and for that, you want an aggressive, responsive, and active binding. 22 Designs Axl and Hammerheads are truly the best out there if you've got 75mm boots. If you're into the NTN thing, they would be a fine set to throw on the JJ.
I opted for the Bluehouse Maestro instead of the JJ, because they're made right here in Utah, and have much better customer service. The 189cm Maestro is a better size for me, at 6' 150 lbs, and I love how they ski in crud, powder, or groomers. One ski quiver. I have Bomber Bishop bindings on mine, but I think Hammerheads would be just as good. Maestro's come in a 178 length, too, so they're a great ski for anyone, except real short people.
Early rise, early taper tip and tail, flat camber. 134/118/131.
Check them out: http://www.factorydirectskis.com/discount-skis/skis-name/skis-maestro.html
Only $400, and they have the best customer service and warranty I've ever seen.
Enjoy, whatever ski you may choose. Happy turns!

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i have mine mounted with hammerheads and it's a great resort setup.

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I also have mine mounted with hammerheads and love them. I ski them on east coast groomers and boilerplate all the time and they ski as well as my 172 Volkl T-rocks which are now collecting dust in the basement (the learning curve with transitioning to the JJs was non-existent). Yet to test them on powder but pretty sure they'll be ok there.

My mind is blown by how well these things ski out here! Can't wait to get them into something deeper.

FYI - I have the 185s (I'm 6'0" and 160 lbs). Mounted boot center (forget about chord center with these skis...you'll be really short on tail length). I bounce around between setting 3 and 4 on the hammerheads with these skis, depending on conditions. 4 for quick edge transfers, 3 for big turns or ice where I need to hold position more.

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Can anybody offer a skii boot that will do good business with

Can anybody offer a skii boot that will do good business with JJ??

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depends on your ability get a boot that's comfortable and has a flex that matches your ability.

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Assuming that your getting the jj's your a pretty advanced skier. The atomic nukes are very good and have stiff flex so you can control the ski much better. The full tilt seth morrison boots. If you don't want to spend as much money go for the rossignol zenith 120 flex. Then there is also the b squad rossingol 130 flex. Tracker int atomic is also a very nice boot.

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Get SOME!

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August 14, 2011

The JJ’s are a game changer for sure. They float, they pop, they scream and they smear, they f-ing rally! They get around really well, coming into turns easily, and they float like champ thru powder. They mellow out transitions and small bumps, etc with their size and float.

I like that they can knock down wind lips and spin drifts, sliding sideway over the top, buttering down the tops of bumps the same way as well (hey it’s still powder, even if it’s been thrown up there untracked on a 2-foot tall bump in the middle of Tower 3 at J-hole). They can charge fast and get you outta a tight spot, and the width and early rise tip and tail allow you to really move out of a jam quick, ie the bottom of a chute with sluff running down behind you.
That being said, I will let it be known that I am a bit of a Eruo-Trash skier, I like tight turns, and a lot of them. So the “playfulness” of this ski for me might be a little “hookie” for another man. If you like a powder turn that is built to run big turns, or none at all, I might get something with a higher turn radius, like I dunno, the XXL Rider.

I’m 5’11”, 165 lbs, and I ride the 185, which might be a little bit on the large size for me, but I make it work.

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I am 6'1" and about 165lbs and I was wondering what

I am 6'1" and about 165lbs and I was wondering what length of rockered skis I should get.

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I might say 179 is too short, but where are you riding and what kind of skiier are you?

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http://www.departmentofgoods.com/4frnt-skis-ehp-ski-fts0030
I was also looking at those, would 179 be too short?

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185 for the jj. i'd go longer like 189-195 for your height

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go with 185. rockered skis feel a little shorter cuz of the contact points. im 5'8" 175 and i ride 185s.

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Do most people mount these at the factory recommended position? Seems

Do most people mount these at the factory recommended position?
Seems a little forward to me.
Looking for an answer for these skies specifically.

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With rockered skis you dont need to mount as far back since your tail lifts off the snow earlier. You should use the factory recomended mounts unless your a super aggressive skier, then you might concider mounting forward of the recomended spot.

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Hey I am 6'4" 180and lookin to get some new pow skis.

Hey I am 6'4" 180and lookin to get some new pow skis. I've been riding some seth pistols and I'm lookin to get a pair of rockered skis. I'm diggin all the specs on the jj's but I am concerned about there length. Is 185 too small or will the width compensate for the shortness?

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Since they have rocker they will ski much shorter than they actually are. There are rumors about a Jumbo JJ with a 195 size, but that has not been confirmed. Another ski that would work as a specific pow ski would be the bentchetler. Its 123 underfoot so it'll be better in the pow and there will be a shipment of 192 bentchetler's coming in around beginning of december.

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Got the 185's and mounting the Marker F12 Tour binding.

Got the 185's and mounting the Marker F12 Tour binding. The recommended mounting -5 position seems a little forward to me. My other skis are Gotamas with Dukes at the factory recommended position and they are mounted futher back on the ski when compared to the JJ. Just a little worried about the tips diving in deep snow.
Any thoughts?

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Armada tends to put the mounting point further up. There is a 4-5.5 cm difference between my 191 Armada ANT & 194 Dynastar Pro XXL, which are skis with similar length, stiffness, camber & width. I have friends that love this Armada JJ ski though, I would suggest asking a shop tech for the best spot for the riding you wanna do..

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Highest possible recommendation

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April 16, 2011

This ski is the biggest increase in fun and performance of any ski I have skied in 45 years of skiing. I'm using them for Telemark skiing, mounted with Axls, on position 2, and using the Scarpa T-2 Eco...not a hard driving boot...and they are waaay easy to ski on these boots. I'm 5'9" tall, 160 Lbs. Most reviewers have a weight of about 135-140 for the cut off from 175 to 185. They ski short.

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The JJs are wide - do I need a riser under my tele bindings or

The JJs are wide - do I need a riser under my tele bindings or does it depend on the tele binding? Thank you to Mike and to "nawrocki1039375" - I appreciate your advice re: bindings in general. I am intrigued by 22 Designs AXL and the RT Bulldogs. The RT Bulldogs are about a pound lighter than the AXL. According to the AXL "tech" info. re: risers "Axls are plenty high" (i.e., no need for risers). I do admit that the Black Diamond 01's are appealing b/c I know the company better and the bindings have been around longer & have been reviewed more extensively. However, I feel like I should not give into this "brand" weakness b/c I might be missing out on something better!

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Which telemark bindings should I mount on Armada JJs? Okay,

Which telemark bindings should I mount on Armada JJs? Okay, based on these & other awesome reviews I just bought the 175cm JJs. I'm psyched! Now... what telemark bindings do folks suggest I mount on them? I assume I should put a riser under the binding? I plan to ski at the area & to tour. So far, I've only seen reviews from guys (which have been great); I plan to ride them in early December and after that I'll provide a review from a female's perspective in case other gals are interested in a gal's perspective on the ski. Thanks for your suggestions!

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What bindings do you use now? I like the 22 Designs Axl's and the RT Bulldogs (my favorite, very adjustable and step in/out) as they both can be adjusted to a very active setting and they both have very good tour modes (the Axl's tour mode is a bit easier to use, I think).

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If you plan to do much touring i would go for the G3 targa elle but if you just ride resort id chose the Black diamond O2 or the Rotellfela R8.

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Whats new about this years JJ? Is it worth upgrading from the

Whats new about this years JJ? Is it worth upgrading from the old JJ or is it same old same old like last season?

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November 7, 2010

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this years jj has the ar50 sidewall. this means that there is cap construction in the tip and tail and sandwich construction under the foot. This means that the swing weight will be overall less

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There are no changes to the JJ besides the topsheet graphic. If I were you, I wouldnt upgrade to the current model if you have the 09-10 model, they are the same skis

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Live in Spokane, WA and looking hard at S7 or JJ. I sold my 4

Live in Spokane, WA and looking hard at S7 or JJ. I sold my 4 year old Mantra's for new Kendo's and looking to sell my Obsethed's for JJ's or S7. Any thoughts or comments between the two? Are they too big and fat for smaller hills. Tight trees, bigger moguls, not as wide open as the big mountains. Also looking at S3's, the new Bacons(hated the older ones), Atomic Access or Coax? I loved my Obsethed's but the heavy swing weight and long chairs rides kill my knee after a few hours. Any comments out there for me?

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Go for the jjs they are a better made ski with a shorter turn radius for tight trees and moguls.

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get the jjs over the s7s. the other options you're looking at are not too different from your obsetheds and are not worth changing. Get the JJs, thay have every single technology you could want in a ski. the S7s are very similar but the JJs seem to overpower them, at least thats what most people say.

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Armada hits a homerun

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I bought this years jj's in the 185. I mounted them at factory reccomended with the rossignol fks with the pivot heel piece. Took em up for the first time this year yesterday. There was 6 in. of fresh which was awesome :) but it got tracked out quick so I skied chop and groomers in the afternoon. These skis were so impressive on everything I dont think I will ski anything else this season. These things ROCK!!!!

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Hi all - I've loved reading these reviews! I am a 5'6"

Hi all - I've loved reading these reviews! I am a 5'6" 125 lb. female and an advanced/expert skier (although I don't huck cliffs like I used to). I telemark (I used to downhill & I still snowboard). I like to ski all conditions (I feel it's good to know how to ski them all even if it's not easy). I ski in Montana, Tahoe & in Utah. I am wondering how these would be for someone of my size & ability as telemark skis. I would hope to use them at the resort & in the backcountry. I have never skied rocker skis, but I'm up for the experience/revolution. I would love to hear your input!

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Hi there..wondering if you got this ski for tele...I'm in the same place...but worried the 175 is a bit too much ski in tele stance..I'm 5.9 ; 160...but ski all my other ski's in the 165-175 range ( S3 169 and Icelantic Keeper 167)

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i think these would work as a telemark ski and there are people you use it as one. they are very versitile so it would work as a resort/backcountry ski. rocker dosn't take much getting used to it just makes pow a lot easier.

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I am trying to decide between these and the atomic bentchetlers.

I am trying to decide between these and the atomic bentchetlers. what are the differences in these skis besides the bentchetlers being slightly wider? thanks

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I own both and have solId experience riding them in all sorts of conditions. 1st off it depends where you ride. In the Pacific NW, the Chets are the king in powder. I love my JJs but with the heavy wet snow the Chets just ride it so much better. As for all mountain non pow days I prefer my JJs. Both are very playful and can turn in the tighter of situations. Its a total toss up but I will say the JJs are awesome but the Chets are amazing.

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bentchetles have a lot more rocker. They are both very versatile skis but the 'chets float better than the jj's. as far as i know the flex is similar. if you ski more pow get the chets if you ski alot of backcounty in variable snow conditions get the jj. If i were you, I'd get the 'chets because the turn radius on the jj is so short. on groomers i prefer to ski down the mountain not across it. I would also want the one with better powder preformance.

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Just ordered a pair, I plan on mounting my jesters.. problem

Just ordered a pair, I plan on mounting my jesters.. problem is that the brakes are 110 mm. Does anyone know where I can find some wider breaks?

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i think your breaks might be able to clear find out before you buy wider brakes

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Hey John,

Marker for sure makes wider brakes for those. They are called the Marker Royal Family Replacement Brake. Backcountry is currently sold out of them in all sizes except the 90mm. However they are made in a 110 and 132mm as well. Good news is you can order straight through Marker, http://www.markerusa.com/.

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I have a question about the 2009-2010 Armada JJs. I bought a

I have a question about the 2009-2010 Armada JJs. I bought a pair and I noticed that the sidewalls are aligned perfectly but the logos that say "armada" on the ABS sidewalls are not aligned together.... is my product defective? THese are the 2009-2010 model and everything else is aligned together except the logos on the sidewalls. If you put the two skis together (base to base), the sidewall logo of one ski is higher than the other. I have a photo to better explain what i mean.

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the logos on the sidewalls aren't aligned completely on last years jj but yours look really far apart so they may be defective cosmetically but not performance wise

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Tested the JJs

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March 21, 2011

I was told to buy a pair of JJs last Oct because they would be sold out before Dec. Of course I didn't listen, wanting to demo a pair. China Peak, CA had a Herb Bauer's demo day on 12 March and I got my chance. I skiied the 185's - I'm 6-2 and 200 pounds. The day was rather cold in the morning and the snow pretty hardpack with frozen cookies all over the place and lots of glare. I was amazed at how well the JJs could hold an edge and actually carve on the glare. They held much better than my Pocket Rockets under similar conditions. The frozen cookies could not even be felt under the JJs. I also tried the next year's model called the STS which is similar to the JJs. The STS has a conventional tail and would hold longer on a carved turn on the hard stuff. I preferred the JJs. I went to Bauers and put a down payment on next year's model because they just are not available on the West Coast at this time.

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yea i cant decide on wether to get the 175 or the 185. I consider

yea i cant decide on wether to get the 175 or the 185. I consider my self a pretty good skier. im 5-9 and 150pounds. I live in vermont but i travel out west a lot to crystal and snowqualmie. I like to ski steep bowls and tight trees. Any suggestions on what size i should go with?

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October 26, 2010

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Yes. If your going to be skiing them in the west it might be a little better to go with the 185. They ski a lot shorter than a 185 because they have a lot of rocker. With the turn radius at a shockingly small number of 12 m then turning should be absolute no problem. When your skiing those steep bowls the 185 will be nice because stability

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if it helps, i can't speak from experience, but i am a little taller and heavier (about half an inch or an inch, and a few pounds) than you and am getting the 185s. From everything I have read they will still turn on a dime at that length (good for the trees), and will be more stable on steep terrain (if you're making a few turns) and on the track back to the lift...what length are you on now and how does that feel for you

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October 28, 2010

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Has anyone skied these with a dynafit system? I have been using

Has anyone skied these with a dynafit system? I have been using Fritchis for 8 years and am wanting to do the switch. They are going to be used in the backcountry 90% of the time.

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I have! I mounted the jj's w/ the tlt ft 12's. A great combo. I just made the switch from a tele set up. Amazing!!! I highly recommend it.

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christian asked this question earlier but im 6'2 and 205

christian asked this question earlier but im 6'2 and 205 and looking at chetler, jj, and bibby pro but cant decide on a length. the longest thing i have skied is my 183 blends. im just concerned about the lengths of all three that between 183,184,and 185 if they will be to short and i should be looking at 190,192 bibby and chetler or something completely different?

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October 18, 2010

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If your using these at a resort or on any hardpack, what you may want to consider is you like skiing down or across the mountain. The jj has a turn radius shorter than most all mountain skis so if you want to ski down the mountain get the bent chetler. Even though it is fatter than the bibby pro, it should be easier to turn on groomers. It the floatiest of the three and is one of the best powder twins on the market. All three skis sell out pretty quickly so you might want to decide quickly before all of them are out of stock. Don't worry about length, you a tall guy and rocker(reverse camber) will make the skis seem a lot shorter. So get the 192's for the 'chets,the 185 jj's,or the 190 bibby pro's. If you decide on another ski with lots of rocker, get something in the high 180 to 190cm size range. If you are just looking for a powder ski there are ski there are several skis that will float better, like the hellbent, pontoon, ep pro,and kuro.

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I was looking to mount the Fritschi Free Ride (last years) on

I was looking to mount the Fritschi Free Ride (last years) on the 185 JJ. Do you think the Fritschi's will do the job? I had the Dukes on my Gotamas and am looking for a lighter set up. Thamks

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they will probably be fine in soft snow but not so great in firm conditions or on-resort. They are even more flexy side to side then the Dukes, as they are higher off the ski, more plastic, etc... For touring the Fritchis climb way better than the Dukes however.

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Best Powder Ski Ever!

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February 25, 2011

I am an expert female skier - 137 lbs - 5'9". The 175 is an amazing ski. I have been on it in 2 ft. of powder and today - only 4". I love it in the trees - it turns like no other powder ski I have ever had. It has enabled me to be more agressive which I like. In the powder bumps, it is amazing. I can ski a longer line without getting tired. I like the fact that you can pivot the ski easily and if you want edge you can get it too.

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perfect bindings for JJ's I decided to buy the armada JJ's

perfect bindings for JJ's

I decided to buy the armada JJ's but i do not know what to chose about bindings.Do the different brands make a great difference?Which brand do you believe i should choose?I see many people using the Marker but a pair of JJ's that i find in Greece,that i can buy,has Tyrolia peak 12.Does anyone knows about them?Are they good enough?please inform me...

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I guarantee these will treat you right - http://www.backcountry.com/salomon-sth-14-driver-ski-binding

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To anyone out there who skis both, say there is a foot of blower,

To anyone out there who skis both, say there is a foot of blower, do you jj or arg? I know jj is the jack of all trades, but if you have the option of both for powder, how do you roll? Are these skis comparable for crud? Thanks for any input.

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October 16, 2010

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It is really just personal preference. Some people like to sink into the powder. with the arg youll sink in like an inch and it will be easy to ski. With the jj youll sink in a little more, get more face shots and everything good about powder. But the real thing you have to look at is that it's not going to be those same snow conditions all the way down. Somewhere along the line it will be hardpack or even ice so the jj will be a lot better choice i think.

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October 24, 2010

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WANT TO BUY ARMADA IN EUROPE! I have decided to buy a pair of

WANT TO BUY ARMADA IN EUROPE!

I have decided to buy a pair of armada skis.The one that i have chosen are the JJ's.My first choice are last year's JJ,in order to get a better price and then this year's.Does anyoone knows a site that can deliver me the armada JJ in Germany,since the american sites can't send them to Europe or if the can the price is getting high!Please give me a solution...

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http://www.skistore.se/catalog/index.php

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would this ski work as a touring ski?

would this ski work as a touring ski?

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October 12, 2010

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The tail rocker can be a pain on kick-turns and are impractical for digging your skis into the snow and attaching to your pack; for touring you're better off with a flat-tail ski.

If you intend to use them to tour late season or in europe you'll also find the inability to fit a ski crampon a slight inconvenience.

If you intend to ride them on the hard stuff the duke/baron are really the only suitable binding options (other AT's have too much lateral slop) - making for a pretty heavy set up.

That said I have them mounted with dukes and use them for day-tours - so they can work.

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They would be great for touring and would work great if you got to ride deep stuff coming down.

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they would definitely work as a touring ski. they are really light and nimble and would be great to tour in.

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Lov'n Life with the JJ's

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January 19, 2011

I am 53 years old and after 45 years of skiing, this is THE ski for me. I am skiing like an 18 year old again. Last year I could not keep up with my 20 year old- this year my groove is ON and we are skiing well together anywhere onthe mountain. Freeskiiers unite- mount yourself on a pair of these babies and go wherever your imagination dares. Happy trails!
PS: I am 5'9", 165lb and love the 175s. Soft bumps?- my specialty! Yeehaw...

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January 20, 2011

Just wanted to second Charlie's comments. I picked up a pair of JJs after demoing them and Rossy S7s earlier in the season.

I'm right about Charlie's age, but a bit bigger -- 6', 180 -- so I ski 185s.

I just say enough things about this ski!!!

If you haven't tried a rockered ski in powder, especially with the five-width dimensional, sidecut-within-a reverse-sidecut and rocker features, you ought to check these out!

What is the real deal is the COMBINATION of those. Yeah, rocker is sweet. But if you just rocker a convention three-width dimensional design, you will NOT get the same advantage! (I've also got a pair of skis like that, and have also demo'd some really fine rockered skis like the Line Prophet 115. They're great, but NOT the same.)

I think it's a fair statement to say this kind of design -- in the JJs, or the Rossy S7s, or Bent Chetlers, etc. -- has already have redefined the design of a "best of the best" backcountry ski!

Atomic in Austria fabs the ski for Armada. The side wall construction is outrageous -- definitely designed and built to be able to handle Sierra terrain! So it'd be able to handle chutes real well ... ;-)

Other thing about these is the 155 waist. To me, that is really about the sweet-spot in terms of waist. Any wider -- into the 120-something territory, or beyond -- and you really don't have edges in a conventional sense any more; just too wide to get the ski rotated that much.

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If i center mount these will they still perform well in the

If i center mount these will they still perform well in the powder?

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October 12, 2010

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not well. consider recommended mounting point back 5 from center. you could get away with a bit above that too.

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JJ or S7? I'm an aggresive advanced skier, 5'11"

JJ or S7?
I'm an aggresive advanced skier, 5'11" and 180lbs. Currently skiing 183cm Gotama (Buddha version). Looking at a new set-up and have narrowed it down to either the S7 188cm or JJ 185cm. I really like what I hear about both skis but think the sizing of the JJ may work better? Any comments/advice appreciated.

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October 11, 2010

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JJ's for sure! They're a much better ski overall than the s7, and you'll definitely be happy on them this winter. I've skied them a ton and have no complaints.

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Alright. I'm convinced, but like everyone else, I'm

Alright. I'm convinced, but like everyone else, I'm stumped with the size dilemma! I'm 5'7"/165 lbs and ski aggressively with lots of pow, hucking, crudbusting and weird snow (in the Tahoe area). This will probably get set up with Fritschis for BC. 175 is prob the way to go, but I'm coming off 183 04/05 Gotamas. The stability at speed was nice on a stiff longer stick. Also, it sounds like these skis ski short cuz of the rocker. On the other hand, with the huge ass dimensions of this ski, the 185 could be too much ski for a smaller guy and all mountain conditions. But if they ski short, I don't want to feel like I'm stuck on snowlerblades either. Ideally, I'd like to demo, but I think these sell out quick. Any thoughts or suggestions from JJ riders???

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.....I'd go for the 185's. I'm 5'9 and 165lbs and went with the 175 JJ's when they first came out, as I ski a lot of tightly treed areas.
I definitely should have gone for the 185's. In the pow they are incredible, but on the groomers say feel a little too twitchy. Still - they are an amazing ski. They are sooooo fun for the type of sking I like, (deep pow, trees, pillows) and they make me a hack like me look like a pro. They take a run or two to get used to them, but then you'll never go back.

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Having skied the 175s for a season, I concur with the answers above: get the 185s. It skis very short and because it is so lightweight, the 185s shouldn't seem like too much ski.

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ok i would completely disagree. this guy is 5'7 that is not very tall. 185 is a BIG ski, just under six feet long. i would say because these are so wide, you will be fine with the 175 length.

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Definitely get the 185. They ski short have a quick turning sidecut and are light. They will feel long when you want them too but when you need to make quick turns they feel like a 170 slalom ski. The 175 is a good ski for even smaller women.

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Get the 185. If you like the 183 Gotama you will really like the length of the 185 JJ. 175 will feel pretty short because of the rocker. The ski doesn't feel as huge as it is..don't get me wrong, it float amazingly welly in pow, but it doesn't feel like you have Hellbents on your feet or anything.

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Hey guys, im and advanced/expert skier looking for a powder ski

Hey guys, im and advanced/expert skier looking for a powder ski that can do what i ask of it anywhere on the mountian. I have looked a the JJ, the bent chetler, and the CRJ. I want a ski that shreds pow and cliffs but wont be awkward on firm snow... I,m 6'2" and 200 lbs. I would love the help, I can't make up my mind! There are so many good skis!

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I had a similar issue that you did. I'm also 6'2" and 200lbs, and frankly the _length_ was what made my decision. The longest the JJ's come in is 185, and one of the things about being taller is that front/back stability becomes an issue on shorter skis, especially in the backcountry when the snow isn't super-dry. It's also worth noting that the 2010 CRJ's stiffened up the tail a little.

For this reason, I went with the 4frnt CRJ's, which come in 189cm.

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Ha Ian provo answered my question ;)
I think i know what ski i will be ordering.
The JJ's!!!!! thanks Ian :D

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Out of all those you mentioned, I believe the jj's are the stiffest. With your size, you need a good stiff ski that won't wash out on you. I would recommend the 185cm jj for sure. You will be able to turn those things on a dime, and, the design of the skis along with the nice rockered tips will keep you floating through the powder, guaranteed.

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Rating for this product: 5

Incredible Ski!

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November 30, 2010

This is simply the most versatile ski I have ever used. I bought a pair the year they came out, and have skied over 120 days on them since. I have skied them in just about every condition that can be skied, I have put over 50 days on them in the park alone. I broke some Volkls and was skiing on these as I waited for the warranty replacement. They kill it everywhere, from Brecks freeway jump line, to chest deep Utah pow. I have done it all on these skis, and they have handled it all better than I could have ever expected. The Elf Shoe Tech employed in the design makes them perform under any circumstance. I truly consider this ski to be my "one ski quiver" and not just a pow ski. It is my favorite ski to date, between its agility, playfullness, and overall performance I will come back to these time and time again. I just ordered a new pair to replace my originals, and couldnt be more stoked! If you are over 5'10 I would recommend going with the 185, they run pretty short after the rocker, and the added float in pow wont hurt! I should also note the durability of this ski, it is top notch. I still have the 2008 model running strong after well over 100 days on them. A very solid ski. The edges dont really like rails though,too thin, so try to be easy on them in the park.

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what has better float in the pow, these or the bent chets?

what has better float in the pow, these or the bent chets?

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October 1, 2010

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The bent chets. Both of them ski amazing. Choosing between these would only be because of personal preference towards a stiffer ski or your depending on your weight. The JJ's have a smaller turn radius, but the bent chet's can turn amazingly short. Skiing the 183 chet would be pretty close to skiing the 175 jj because the jj is a stiffer ski than the chetler. The bent chetler would be a little better for skiing crud and powder. Both of them are amazing for stomping cliff's because of the two point contant you'll land nice and centered not going over the handle bars.

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October 1, 2010

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I'm an strong advanced/expert east coast female skier -

I'm an strong advanced/expert east coast female skier - Looking to get some JJs but like everyone else it seems, have a question about the size. I havent come across many other ladies skiing this so not sure - im 6'0 and 165lbs - i have some LibTechs i a 173cm and some PMgear BROs in a 174cm. Should i go with the 175, or 185? Thanks!

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October 1, 2010

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I dont feel like the Bros or the LibTechs are too short and like their length. Im surprised to hear the rocker doesnt have a huge impact, seems like a lot of people recommend getting them longer because of the rocker. I was only considering the 185cm if the rocker made it feel as short as some people make it sound. I think im going with the 175cm. Thanks!

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go for the 185cm so you can charge! you'll be able to turn them on a dime.

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If you feel like your PMgear BRO's or your LibTechs are too short then you could try the 185. If you already like the length of skis you are on, keep in mind that the rocker on this ski will make it feel slightly shorter in some circumstances but the rocker is not a huge impact on this specific ski. So, if you like the length you are currently on, get the 175. This is a matter of total personal preference. Since you are EC, I would suggest 175.

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Bent vs JJ.... and the winner is? All right kids, who here has

Bent vs JJ.... and the winner is?

All right kids, who here has ridden Bents and the JJ's? If I go one ski quiver who do I pick? Want to be able to butter, slay pow, crush crud and lay down some railroad tracks on the cord. Which ski should I buy?

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September 26, 2010

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I have the jj's and have skied the bent's twice... the bents are awesome for the fluff, and even though they wearnt as good on the hard pack, they wer still some fun skis, and def have the sickest graphics! but the jj's... the jj's are in a league of their own! amazing in the pow and amazing on the pack.. and everywhere else on the mtn! jj's all the way!

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Erik,

The consensus among most skiers is the JJ is a bit better as an everyday ski. Stiffer underfoot then the Bent's and soft and playful on the tips. The stiff underfoot section really allows you to lay down nice arc's and the softer tips allow the ski to be playful in soft snow conditions.

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Hey I am 5' 9" ish and about 140. I want to be able

Hey I am 5' 9" ish and about 140. I want to be able to spin off jumps and still slay the powder. Which size should i go with. Would I even notice the swing weight on the 185?

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September 25, 2010

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Sorry, I didn't finish my answer. If you really want to use this ski to jib a ton then the 175 would be better because the 185 will have some swing weight to it, otherwise, just get the 185 it will ski better. You are a little short for the 185, but it should not be a big problem.

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September 27, 2010

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175 will feel slightly short for you, 185 will feel a bit long for you.

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Rating for this product: 5

One of the best options out there.

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September 8, 2010

This is seriously one of the best options out there for either a powder specific ski, or a 1 ski quiver (depending on where you ski). The ski has just enough rocker that it feels surfy in powder. It is just stiff enough that it really wants to punch through heavy crud and choppy snow rather than getting knocked around. The ski is just stable enough that you can drop cliffs into narrow chutes and straightline all the way out. The ski is just poppy enough that you can use it as a backcountry jib ski that can land backwards in powder. The ski is just fat enough that it floats exceptionally well in new snow conditions. The ski has just enough sidecut that it can turn on groomed snow. The ski has just enough reverse sidecut that it feels effortless in freshies. The ski is light enough that you can use it as a touring ski. The ski is burly enough that it can be used as a resort ski.

There isn't enough good that can be said about this ski.

The only downside to this ski is that it doesn't do exceptionally well in the park, and you won't be able to pin olympic medal times in moguls. Some bigger skiers will also feel that the 185 is too short.

Someone marked this reviews as a thumbs down, so here is some more info on the ski:

Bottom Line: The Armada JJ is a really fun ski. It floats well at 115 underfoot, but with such early taper and rocker it has a really surfy feeling. It really can handle anything you toss at it. I highly recommend this ski to ANYONE who is looking at getting into rocker, who rides powder/crud atleast 70% of the time, or who wants a sick backcountry jib ski!

Pros: "If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up." Seriously, they are probably the best 1 ski quiver ski that I have ever handled (for Snowbird/Alta that is). They carve fine on groomers, better than the Armada ARG or even the S7. They float and surf awesome in deep pow, and they are stiff enough to handle crud without a problem. I don't know if it gets any better than this. They carve well enough on groomers, but it is definitely not a racing ski.

Cons: My only gripe is that the ski could be slightly longer. Skis with rocker feel slightly shorter than they really are. If Armada made this ski in a 188-189 it would be awesome. The length issue may be reduced if you mount the ski on the recommended line. The pair I skied were mounted very aggressively, forward from the suggested mounting point.

It is rumored that a 195 Jumbo JJ will be released in 2010/2011...keep your eyes open.

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November 6, 2010

Kwood...if you want a 14 DIN binding get this:

http://williamrichmondski.blogspot.com/2010/04/new-photo.html

If you want something slightly burlier get this:

http://www.backcountry.com/rossignol-fks-180-ski-binding

They are the best bindings on the market for a reason. Highest elasticity. Shortest mount zone. Lowest stack height. Most natural pivot. Longest lasting construction.

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October 26, 2010

Last question, thoughts on a binding?

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October 25, 2010

Y Kwood50. The shorter turn radius on this is not very noticeable. When you get in fresh/choppy snow you can really make as long or as short of turns as you would like. When you get on groomers you will automatically want to make longer turns on this ski and will likely have to make a few windshield wiper turns to slow down occasionally. You will love this ski. I really liked my VCT's when I had them, they are just a bit more planky than the Gotama, similar dimensions, but this ski completely owns both of them as a quiver of 1.

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October 23, 2010

Going back and forth on the K2 Obsethed or this. Been on the Gotama for years, want a little more than 106 underfoot and these sound great. if you like to lay out larger GS turns does the very short turn radius work againist you?? I am moving to a one ski quiver (Sell the Rossi BC's and Gotama's). Skied all my life, 35-45 days/year, Kirkwood mainly.

Your input would be appreciated.

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September 24, 2010

Pretty sure that the rumor of a Jumbo JJ is just that- a rumor, but I'll be the first to swallow my words and buy a pair if they make them!

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Armada JJ 10/11 VS Armada JJ 09/10 I was am convinced to get

Armada JJ 10/11 VS Armada JJ 09/10

I was am convinced to get the JJ's.I had almost decided for it and now that Jack Wizo recomended them i am sure about my choice.It is only left to be seen if it's going to be the right one!Although i wanted to know if there is any big difference between the last years JJ and in the new ones,so that i would like to know if i wouldn't be able to have the money needed for the new model,getting the last's year ones,would it be a good enough choice or should i check for something else?
Thank you for your assistance.

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September 22, 2010

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Second that. If you are able to find an '09/'10 model, you should get it. I'm pretty sure that any shop that carried them, sold out completely. Buy from Backcountry.com, though, and you'll have a lifetime satisfaction guarantee and can return them for a complete refund anytime- even if it's years later. Happy turns!

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the 10/11 is supposed to be slightly torsionally stiffer than the 08/09 and 09/10 models. The difference is not huge. The ski is essentially the same.

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WONDERING ABOUT A GOOD DECISION I am a European skier,skiing

WONDERING ABOUT A GOOD DECISION

I am a European skier,skiing at the mountains of Austria.Used to be race-skiing until i was 17 and spending my time freesking for the last 4 years (i am now 21 years old).Last year i bought a pair of Rossignol S4 park model but this year i have decided to buy a new pair,because i thing i would like somethinf fatter,since i am not spendig so much time in the parks making tricks and jumps.Are the armada JJ's a good decision for me?Are they an everyday pair of skis that could offer me pleasure all around the mountain,especially in powder situations?I am 182cm tall and my weight is 73 kg.Do the 185 suit me for the use i want the skis?

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September 22, 2010

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The JJ is the best one ski quiver for a freeskier you can find. Light, nimble, perfect flex, and perfect shape. With the early rise/early taper, you glide over the powder until you want to sink in, then with the normal camber under-foot, you pop out and off of anything. JJ is the ski you want, and the 185 would be perfect for you. You will be happy.
Happy turns.

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im 5'8" and I am 150 lbs. I am advanced to expert skiier

im 5'8" and I am 150 lbs. I am advanced to expert skiier and I ski out west like colorado and utah area skiing off trail like trees bumps steeps bowls with some out of bounds skiing. I used to ski on these 151 park skis but I rented armada arvs last season at 175 and loved them but I wanted something fatter. So I was wondering what size I should get

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September 18, 2010

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i am 5'9'' and 150 lbs, i use the 185 and they ski shorter than any other ski i have. the twin tip and dual rocker makes them ski very short

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September 25, 2010

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It really will come down to personal preference as well as your overall ability. It sounds like you would prefer a 175 while someone else of your exact same stature would prefer a 185. There is no right answer at your specific height and weight.

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i'm thinking about these or the dynastar 6th sense huge.

i'm thinking about these or the dynastar 6th sense huge. I am 5'5 110 lbs expert skiier. I would be using them for powder trees, backcountry and drops.

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September 15, 2010

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go with the jj's you wont regret it. Im guessing the JJ's are alot lighter, and more playful than the 6th sense while also being able to charge just as hard. get the 175cm

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Where is the best mounting point? I got a pair of 185cm on the

Where is the best mounting point? I got a pair of 185cm on the way and plan to mount with Dukes.

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September 15, 2010

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I have my JJ's mounted with dukes at 1 inch back from core center. I did this so I could ride fakie comfortably when I wanted to. I would recommend mounting at the specified mounting point on the ski, or a touch bit forward. Because of the nice rocker, these ski wonderfully when you mount them closer to the center. Just don't center mount them, they will ski fine just not quite as nice.

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Has any one mounted some touring bindings like the Marker dukes

Has any one mounted some touring bindings like the Marker dukes or Barrons on these guys? Are they to rockered to skin up the hill on?

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September 13, 2010

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Ian, I have the same set up (current year, not mounted) and am trying to figure out where to mount them. I'll stand on them in my room and the -5 factory recommended looks a bit far forward. I'm thinking about -7 (2 back from factory). Thoughts? thanks man.

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November 24, 2010

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The dukes and JJ's have been my set up for three years. Solid touring rig. They are nice and rockered but not so much that I can't make it up the steep skinners in the wasatch.

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I patrol out west and a handful of guys rock the JJ's with the dukes and they love em. That is a killer setup

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i'm 75kg 5'8" should i ski 175 or 185.what binding

i'm 75kg 5'8" should i ski 175 or 185.what binding do you recom..

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September 12, 2010

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i would go with the 175 and mount the salomon STH 16 or if you drop huge cliffs go with the salomon 920 which has a din rating from 12-20 it just depends on how much you want to spend on bindings. The STH 16 might be better for you depending on your ability cause all of the 920 din settings are high or very high.

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September 13, 2010

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It would depend on what you ski I would say.
I'm 90kg and 6' and I ski the 185 in steep trees and bowls. You could go for the 175, since you are a lighter guy, and that would be all you needed, but you could also get away with the 185. As for bindings, the Marker Royal Family bindings are really good, if not overpriced, Look/Rossi/Dynastar all preform very well, and Salomon bindings are good. Basically, any clamp that has the DIN you want, and is in your price range, I say go for it.

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September 12, 2010

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I'm 6'0" and weigh 205 Lb. Ski alot of steep tight

I'm 6'0" and weigh 205 Lb. Ski alot of steep tight trees, are the 185's going to be to much?

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September 7, 2010

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Not at all. The 185cm will be just right.

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Any ladies out there ski on these? My wife is 5'10"

Any ladies out there ski on these? My wife is 5'10" and 125 lbs. I tested these last season and was blown away (the 185s, and I'm 6'2", 230#). I think they would revolutionize her skiing (she charges everything, but I think they would give her a ton more confidence). If not JJs, what else might work?

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September 7, 2010

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I haven't seen many ladies on the jj's, which is weird because I find them to be very easy to ski. I agree, they would revolutionize her skiing. I say go for it!

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do the sidewalls and sides chip? my pair of pipecleaners from

do the sidewalls and sides chip? my pair of pipecleaners from 08 chiped like crazy after 2 days. are the side walls curved off?

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September 7, 2010

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Nope, side wall chipping is a thing of the past with ARMADA's new AR50 sidewall construction. This means you get all the benefits of both worlds, full sandwich ABS and capped ski construction. The AR50 gives you the unparalleled edge hold and durability underfoot while the capped tip and tail provide unreal swing weight coupled with exceptional topsheet chipping resilience..

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should i get the 175 jj, the 176 s7, 174 czar,or 169 k2 obsethed

should i get the 175 jj, the 176 s7, 174 czar,or 169 k2 obsethed i am 5'5 and weigh 110 lbs and would use it mainly for powder and backountry.

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September 6, 2010

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Personally, I'd hands down roll with the JJ. When it comes to shredding Pow and variable backcountry conditions the Armada JJ is a grand slam hit out the park. the other skis in your list are great sticks but the JJ is the clearly the most playful, durable, and life-changing snow gliding tool ever created by man... Choose wisely my friend

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September 7, 2010

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What's your style?
Going off any cliffs or jumps?
Straightlining at all?

What are you planning to do on the skis?

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September 6, 2010

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Thanks for the feedback about the schizos on the jj's It

Thanks for the feedback about the schizos on the jj's It just seems like everyone has a different idea on where to mount so the schizos make sense. Got it narrowed down to the schizo or the LOOK pivot 14/ rossi fks 140. Anyone else have anything to add let me know. MASSIVE soundtrack is genius, thanks

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September 3, 2010

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whats up with puttin that schizo binding on the jj ski. would

whats up with puttin that schizo binding on the jj ski. would it be a little high or heavy? any negative or positive feedback would be appreciated, or binding suggestions for intermediate progressing skier. I just ordered new jj's and want to get them dialed in

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September 1, 2010

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I use the Marker duke which is pretty high and heavy, and they ski fine. Mounting the jj's with the schizo or the jesters would be a good setup.

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It there any big difference between the JJ and the Bent Chetlers?

It there any big difference between the JJ and the Bent Chetlers? I can't decide...

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September 1, 2010

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Both are great skis to be honest. So much so I have both (even though some would say it's the same ski). I break out the Chets when it's a deep especially here in the pnw where the snow can be heavy. I find that extra bit of girth allows for noticeable difference with not just the float but also the playfulness. As for the JJ they are my go to ski for every other day. I am not much of a hard charging skier and prefer slashing, trees, and tight lines. Both skies are so playful but the Chets just don't play as well in varied conditions like the JJ. You really can't go wrong with both but if you are looking for a pow primary ski go with the Chets, if your looking for a all mountain monster go with the JJ.

P.S. I believe both skies are produced in the same plant

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September 12, 2010

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Bent Chetlers are almost a cm wider, and are a bit heavier. Either ski is amazing and will be awesome if you like playful lines, charging, spins, whatever. The CRJ from 4FRNT is incredible, too, as well as the Bluehouse Maestro, or Moment Night Train. I went with the Maestro, 'cause they were half the price, and have the best warranty/service, plus they're local (SLC.) The JJ and BC have camber under foot, and a shorter turn radius than the Maestro or CRJ. All have similar early taper, early rise. They will skim the surface of everything, and never hook tips.
Good luck with your decision.

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Looking at the JJ's. I'm 5'-6" 200 Lbs. What

Looking at the JJ's. I'm 5'-6" 200 Lbs. What length should I get?
Skiing at Crystal Mountain WA. Pow, tree's, crud, groomed.

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August 31, 2010

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Check out the performance ski rental shop by the Snorting Elk Pub just across the foot bridge on the left. You may be able to rent both sizes. Greater supply of these on the market this year may lead to rental availability. Call/email? When in doubt go longer. Easier to sell if you feel they are not what you want.

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October 16, 2010

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175, but remember the total length is not engaged unless you are in deeper snow. So on anything but the pow and crud your riding 5-10 shorter, so don't expect it to ride like a 175 if your railing a groomer. I'm 5'6 160lb and I ride the 183 Chetler for pow days, 175 JJ for everything other then dump days.

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September 12, 2010

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Your height would definitely put you in the 175, but these days we don't really size by height anymore. If you are a strong skier looking to play in the powder, the 185 is going to give your 200 lbs better float and given your weight I'm sure you're plenty powerful enough to muscle the JJ around. Go w/ the 185 and get'er'done

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September 7, 2010

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Considering your height I would go with the 175.

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August 31, 2010

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Hey would this ski work well for a 190 pound six foot three skier

Hey would this ski work well for a 190 pound six foot three skier getting into back-country and already excelling at almost any inbounds ski resort condition at Colorado's summit county resorts like keystone breck or copper. And I'm thinking about setting the skis up with some barons to use as a quick approach to the hill and the hike up the hill to start getting in some awesome backcountry powder turns.

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August 30, 2010

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Dennis, look no further the JJ will change your LIFE... I'm 6'2 195 lbs and ski the JJ religiously, whether it be inbounds @ Snowbird or chest deep in the backcountry they perform beautifully providing plenty of float with ample backbone for skiers of our stature. When it comes to touring check out Ian Provos helmet cam footage for a sneak peek of all the wonderful places these sticks will take you. Get the 185, mount them at the recommended -5 and never look back my friend!!!

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Does anyone know how much the 185 weighs?

Does anyone know how much the 185 weighs?

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August 28, 2010

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175cm - 8.9lbs per pair
185cm - 9.6lbs per pair

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Hey i just bought some JJ 175 and i would like to know the best

Hey i just bought some JJ 175 and i would like to know the best mounting point, im 135lbs and i will be doing mostly freeride but with some groomed run

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If you are a bit unsure, I would mount them at the recommended mounting point labeled on the ski. You can go up or back a few inches from there and they will ski totally fine. Just don't center mount them!

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August 27, 2010

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By: Ian Provo August 27, 2010

I swear by these skis. For the last 3 seasons they have been my one ski quiver. In the powder they perform incredibly, doing anything you want them to, more...

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By: Brett Beery February 26, 2011

I am a gaper from Kansas. I bought the 185 to be my everyday driver. Everyday skiing for me includes pow stashes, tree bashing, park jumps, ripping off more...

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Dimensions:
[185cm] 126 / 136 / 115 / 133 / 121mm; [175cm] 126 / 136 / 115 / 133 / 121mm 
Turn Radius:
[185cm] 14m; [175cm] 12m 
Construction:
AR50 Sidewall 
Core:
Hybrid Ultralight 
Base:
50/50 Base 
Camber:
EST Freeride Rocker 
Tail:
Twintip 
Binding Included:
No 
Recommended Use:
Backcountry freestyle, powder, pillows, all-mountain ripping, variable snow 
Manufacturer Warranty:
1 Year