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Your only friend on a powder day is JJ.

If you’re a progressive skier you already know about the Armada JJ Alpine Ski. The JJ uses Armada’s Elf Shoe Technology–mixed rocker/camber—design and a 5-dimension sidecut for riding inconsistent snow conditions. With a superlight core, rocker at the tip and tails, camber under foot, and strategically located sidecut, the JJ floats like a yacht in powder, spins like a DJ, and carves like a three-fin thruster to the lift line. The JJ is a ski within a ski: 50% rockered powder fatty, 50% all-mountain carver, and 100% unique.

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5 5

From the heavens

JJ- amazing all around, great in pow, great on groomers, good on cliffs, just you absolutely can't go wrong i LOVE it! Very stable. These seriously fell out of the heavens. Thanks JP and Julien

From the heavens

Want to mount these up with some Dynafit...

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Want to mount these up with some Dynafit ST's for backcountry touring. What would the recommended mounting be? Also I am 5' 10" 175# will the 175cm be to short if it is only for bc? Thanks for any help.

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Keith, If you are 5'10", you may want to consider the 185cm. You are right in between the two sizes, but remember that the JJ's ski a lot shorter than they actually are. I also tour with the JJ's, mounted with dukes about an inch back from core center. Do not mount any closer to core center than that. You would probably be good mounting the bindings at the recommended location or a touch forward.

I'm 121lbs and 5'5", so which length will...

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I'm 121lbs and 5'5", so which length will be perfect for me and where to mount? This is my first powder and twint-tip ski and I want to learn skiing switch and some other stuff.

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The 175 would be a great length for you. I would suggest mounting boot center -2 to -4 cm from chord center. Happy turns!

Which brakes will be good for JJ: 110mm...

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Which brakes will be good for JJ: 110mm or 130mm?

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Those are 115 under the foot so a 120 break is the most ideal. 130 is a little overkill, but would still work.

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But Marker doesn't have 120. It has 110 and 130

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Get a 130 i had 110 and it didn't work and you can break the brakes by bending them

Which bindings will be good for this...

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Which bindings will be good for this ski?

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Pastalipa, if you are a "go charge" powerfull skier, which I guess, I'd recommend you the Salomon STH16. I'm working with Salomon, so you can maybe consider that I'm not neutral, but read what Seth Morrison says about Salomon STHs on BC.com, I think you'll be more than convinced. Enjoy your winter!

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How about STH14?

ok so i'm 23 yrs old looking to purchase...

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ok so i'm 23 yrs old looking to purchase a new pair of twins. I currently ride on volkl's but looking to switch to armada cause they are some bad mo fo's... I'm 6'4" 185 lb's and i spend about 80 percent of my time adventuring around backcountry, dipping under closed boundary lines, 10 percent in the park, and the other 10 having to cruise around with the fam on random days... I have been looking into either the 2010 armada jj's or the ARV's. I dont really know much about either of the skis or the new technology that was put into the 2010's... hopefully you guys can enlighten me and help me choose my next ski, thanks
S
p.s. regardless of which ski i get should i stay around a 175ish or go to around a 185? thanks again

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Without question go with the 185 cm in either the ARVs or the JJs. I have both skis and love them both. I use the ARVs in normal conditions when there isn't new snow, or I know I am going to be skiing mostly on groomed and moguls. The JJs I pull out when there is powder, even 10 or 12 inches. At 6'4" you do not want a ski shorter than the 185 cm in either ski. The JJs ski much shorter than 185 because of the rocker at both ends. This make the "effective length" of the ski much shorter. The 185 cm ARV is sweet. I have the ARVs mounted +2 cm from boot center. The JJs I have mounted at the Armada recommended boot center because I don't ride switch.

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Cmelo15,
I picked up a pair of the JJs for this season here in Salt Lake City. I've used them five times this season in varies conditions. I expected the JJs to perform well in powder, which they did in about 7" of fresh at Vail over the weekend. I was very surprised to feel how well the performed on the groomers and even in some icy spots at Copper Mtn. I liked the feel of the JJs much better than my Salomon 1080 guns. They didn't do as well as my old all mountain Volk's (724 EXPs) but I wasn't expecting them too and still wouldn't considering pulling them out on a strict groomer day. They are also comparatively light for a big ski, making them easy to hike through the gates with. I'm 6' 180lbs and ski the 185s. Like JT said, go with the 185s no questions asked. The JJs ski shorter on groomers because of the rocker tip and tail.
Hope this gives you some insight.

5 5

JJ's are a Girl's Best Friend

Before I skied on the JJ's for the first time I was worried because they are very fat and Armada did not advertise them as a women-specific ski. However, after two days of blissful powder conditions at Wolf Creek, CO, I don't think there could be a better ski for me. I ski the 175 cm with a Rossi Freeski2 140 binding mounted +2 cm from boot center. I tested them in pretty variable conditions from steep and deep powder, chopped up crud and groomed hardpack. The JJ's were purr-fect everywhere! I also skied trees a lot which up until now I felt uncomfortable doing. Their light weight and balance made it easy to pivot and I floated over most obstacles. Ladies try this ski - you won't be disappointed.

I'm 18, 6'5, 200-205 and am seriously...

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I'm 18, 6'5, 200-205 and am seriously interested in the JJ's. I just don't know if I can pull of the 185. What other ski out there would be good for me and my HEIGHT if the JJ isn't doable?

-J

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If you are thinking that the 185 is too big, the 182 Czar might be a good choice. Its is a little smaller overall, so might be more manageable for you. I live in UT and consider the Czar a perfect everyday ski.
http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Salomon-Czar-Ski/SAL1408M.html
The thing I prefer about the Czar over the JJ is that it has less sidecut so it is less hooky in funky snow, but The JJ does rip nice gs turns on piste.

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Just get the 185 cm and you will have no problem. The effective length of the the ski is much shorter than 185 cm because of the rockered tip and tail. This makes the ski handle like a much shorter ski. The turn radius is only about 14 meters which is very short for such a fat ski. You are a tall, heavy guy and you won't want a ski any shorter than 185 cm - believe me... I know.

JT

5 5

Like Butter

It's difficult to describe how incredibly well these skis perform. You pretty much have to try them to understand. The float is what you would expect, but the maneuverability, balance, pivot, and forgiveness of the skis is what makes them stand-out among the fat rockered types. If you're thinking about getting a powder/all mountain ski, seriously consider these in the 185 cm length. My wife skis the 175 cm and calls them "magic." Try them in the trees on a powder day and you won't want to take them off. Make sure you get some good, low-rise bindings. Ours are fitted with the Rossi Freeski2 140 which work great. May also try the Marker Jester, or the Solomon STH. Get em now.

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why do you reccomend a "low rise" binding?
i plan on mounting these with fritschi freerides, which are pretty high up

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Matt,

I wouldn't mount a high binding unless you are worried about tipping these on edge - and you shouldn't be worried about that. The lower binding works much better in powder and gives you more control when smearing, pivoting, and generally surfing the boards which is what these skis are meant to do. If you are negotiating powder or deep crud, you don't want slight movements of your ankle to translate into big movements of your skis - hence creating too much edge (and big wipeouts!). The high binding will do this and I personally don't like it for this kind of ski. I've skied the JJs on hardpack and have absolutely no trouble carving and making quick turns. I recommend mounting the lowest binding possible, something no more than 15-18 mm.

I was windering how these would be for...

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I was windering how these would be for light touring and with barons?

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Great, but I would upgrade to Dukes because the weight difference isn't too bad and the Duke is much more durable.

JJ's work great for touring. Not a very heavy ski, and when you get to untouched stuff you will wish you were on this ski anyway.

5 5

I am in love...

Skier: Expert tele skier, 6' 210#, very athletic build.
Rig: 186 cm with Hammerheads set on #5 and installed 4 cm ahead of chord center, Garmont Ener-G's.

I skied them at Schweitzer, ID over New Years. Thurs was the perfect day to try them out: a mixture of deep crud, untracked snow and some hardpacked groomers. They carve surprisingly well on the groomers, even at super-hi speeds. Unstoppable in crud and deep snow, and VERY quick turning in tight trees. They required zero technique adjustment on my part: very intuitive. They go where you point them, with no need to worry about the texture of the snow. You can throw a turn wherever and whenever you need.

Other skis in my quiver include Line Prophet 100 and 130 and K2 Work Stinx. The JJ will be my ski of choice except when conditions are really firm.

5 5

JJ's 2 good 2 be true?

JJ part DEUX

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THis Long weekend...great carving conditions for the P8's on Friday and Saturday.
sunday Sunday SUNDAY..it snowed 4-6" overnight, still snowing when I arrived at 7:30 and until I left at Noon.

Temp....10 degrees, wind gust 20-30 mph, snow guns blowing everywhere.
Snow Conditions: Blown slab crusty snow mixed with natural falling snow.

It was time to take out the JJ's.

First run on a blue groomer with packed powder,blown snow, all previously groomed before the mountain opened. I took an easy run and tested the surefootedness of the JJ's. They were very solid.

Then there it was, Metor, ungroomed, 1-3 foot bumps. Here's where the JJ's came alive. These skis crush through around over bumps like no ski I've skied before. I can see why people call them cheater skis. I did not once have to think about the texture of the snow and how it might affect my skis. Just point and shoot, simple as that, they ride over the crud, the slab, the broken snow and turn extremely quick. The snow guns were the only annoying factor on that run freezing over my goggles...Why they do that on a snowing day is nuts...but hey, I have a daytime job. I made one run carrying a lot of speed and thinking oh boy...I'm going to bite it..but my JJ's kept plowing through, absorbing and sucking up all the terrain giving me time to catch up with them.....Phew...amazing!

I decided to head to the other black run open, Rocket. The snow on the skiers left was broken, deep boot high slab powder bumps. I played between the towers and the tree line and it was heaven. The JJ's were right at home turn and churning with ease, I mean short turns, medium and long turns. These skis rock...but let me qualify that..

The want to be skied 2 footed. If you are big toe dominent, this is NOT the ski for you. 60 40, 50 40, 70 30, is what these skis thrive on. I found if I wanted a quick turn and was to jam on the downhill big toe edge, that ski turns on a dime...love that for emergency bail outs. They also want to be skied with body centered and stacked with slight pressure against the shins.There, you can drive all day long with subtle fore aft movements.
Had the chance to open them up on a groomed pack powder run and I could not believe I was on 115 underfoot....both skis working together, carving...very versitle, very sweet. As with some Rockers I've seen there can be a lot of tip flap...NOT with the JJ's.....the Austrians built a beauty.

I know there are more chapters to report, like a deep knee high powder day but so far, these skis are a dream for this 2 footed skier. Best, Gary

how does these perform on the hardpack,...

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how does these perform on the hardpack, groomers? im 6 foot and weight 150 pounds. i need a ski that carves very well but yet floats in pow. before i usually skied a thinner ski on the foot but i want to go bigger. is this a good ski? any other good skis on the market...

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these handle groomers fine and really shine in softer, deeper snow.

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Bob...I'd be careful thinking these are good to play on groomers all day long especially if you are accustomed to carving skis...You can track these skis on packed powder but to big for playing on hardpack, ice conditions.

5 5

Good ski, versatile.

So far, so good. have the '09 JJs, probably 75 days on them so far. super responsive, very fun, quick, and nimble for their width. They've done well on everything I've skied through, with the possible exception of some boilerplate. Even on that, the JJs hold better than expected. The rocker is great, nearly impossible to go over the tips. Tail rocker makes switch landings cake, and the normal camber underfoot and moderately stiff flex prevent the crazy tail wheelies I've had on Hellbents. This ski does ski short, so size up. I'm 5'6" 150 lbs fairly aggressive skier and the 175s feel a bit small. would go with the 185s if I purchased again.

5 5

Super Impressive

I recently demoed a pair of 175 JJs at Grand Targhee, Wyoming. What first amazed me was the weight factor. These were the lightest fat skis I have ever skied on. The tip and tail rocker made for some great switch riding, even through tracked up crusted over pow. The next thing that impressed me was the amount of flex it had while still maintaining stability through the crud and chop. The final major thing that impressed me was how much of an edge I was able to maintain on the groomer outruns. This ski totaly went far and beyond what I had imagined. For these reasons I purchased a pair of 175's and put on Marker Griffons...I'm pretty sure this is gonna be a killer season on my 2009 Armada JJ's.

what kind of binding would be good for...

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what kind of binding would be good for this ski? and where should it be mounted?

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I put some look px15s on mine and they are awesome super solid. Kinda heavy but I know I'm always locked in. Mounting depends on how you want to ride them. I do a lot of backcountry jumping on mine and switch pow landings. So I have the 3cm back from center. If you ride them more traditionally stick with the midsole point provided on the ski.

5 5

Extremely Impressed

At first I was a little hesitant to get the JJ's over the Hellbents or another more powder specific ski. However, after a solid powder day at Bachelor, I'm glad that I stuck with the JJ's.
They were able to excel in everything; they had good float and the ability to make quick turns in the powder, relative stability at speed, could rail on groomers (which I was most impressed by), and make tracked out snow feel brand new again.
Not being used to the tip, tail rocker, I ended up in the backseat a few times before I realized that I could keep my weight centered while skiing and landing in soft snow.
This is my new favorite ski to use whenever there's fresh snow somewhere on the mtn. With the rocker, the reverse sidecut in the front&back, this is the funnest set of skis that I have ever been on.

5 5

Sick but durability is questionable so far

First of all, this ski is amazing it rips up groomers like you wouldn't believe for it's size. I ski in Colorado and I feel it is a perfect one ski quiver for pretty good skiers in the condtions here. My only complaint so far are the 3 core shots (one was my fault) of which 2 occured from very minor contact with rocks all within my first 5 days . My friend on obsethed hit the same rocks and barely got a scratch on the base. It could be due to the fact I weigh more then him (6'2 190) he is like 160 or so. All were able to be repaired easily but it's a bummer to dish out cash for repairs on brand new skis. I would highly recommend these skis to anyone but would advise you use something else until solid snow coverage. Anyone else had a durability issue or is it just me?

I had someone tell me that due to the soft...

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I had someone tell me that due to the soft wood core, it has had binding screws rip out, not a good long-term ski. Should go with rossi instead, any truth?

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I've used these skis for the last 3 years, and I've never experienced screws ripping out. Even on a pair that had two sets of holes, no problems. Make sure you have your skis mounted by a skilled tech. That wood core is one of the reasons why its one of the lightest fat skis on the market.

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I've ripped my Hammerheads out of 06/07 JJ's, but that was probably just because of the nature of a telemark binding having more torque on the back two screws. The newer JJ's don't seem to have that problem, though- the top sheet and core are a bit better, and more durable.

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