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Seldom does a ski come around that pleases the crowds like the can't-do-wrong Armada JJ Ski. This goodie-two-shoes has the girth and rocker of a pow ski, traditional camber and sidewall for hard, high-speed railing, and a flex pattern for both easy turning and straight-running. It's the fearless fat ski that can still arc a turn. A 115-millimeter waist and rockered tip and tail give it float; camber underfoot and AR50 sidewall make it quick edge-to-edge; and tapered tip and tail add lengthened stability and prevent tip from catching or tail washouts. This ski feels a little shorter and more nimble than its size would imply, but the actual length adds to the speed and float.

  • EST Freeride Rocker profile with traditional camber underfoot
  • AR50 Sidewall construction
  • Hybrid UltraLight Core
  • Comp Series Base
  • Laminate Matrix directional fiberglass laminate
  • 1.7 Impact Edge
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Yeah, just like everyone else says!

    Love my JJ's. Bought these on a relatively bad snow year and got to play with them in all conditions. Awesome and floaty in pow, nimble in the trees, fun in the air, and reliable in variable conditions.



    These may not be the PERFECT ski for any one condition, but if you're a young nomadic fella like myself, who can't afford a multi-ski quiver yet, you can't really go wrong with these. Size up to account for the rocker. I mounted my Marker F12's at the factory mark and ended up with an amazingly fun and versatile inbounds/touring ski. Hard to imagine anyone not loving the JJ!

    JJs go to Japan

    These sat in my garage a full year. California gave me no reason to dust them off. So naturally we booked a trip to Japan. Skis did not disappoint. I am in love.

    Some pop in your step

    • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer

    Not sure about the weak wood, but have been riding these for about 3 months now. What I like is they really have some pop off kickers, drop ins, park runs and anything else I can think to jump off of. They turn like a dream and maneuver in some of the tight trees and chutes better than most skis I have been on. I feel like these ski really short, and when on the 185s I feel like I am on 170s. As far as chopping through the crud, corn, groomers and pow, listen to Dan Brown below he is right, this ski does do it all.

    Weak wood, weak wood.

    • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer

    I'm not really sure what to say about these anymore. They served me well for the majority of the 13-14 season until my Marker Griffon ripped out of my right ski in the middle of a good pow day at Mammoth. They're great in terms of being light, quick-turning and versatile but I just don't think I can trust Armada anymore after what happened. I don't think the combination of Marker Griffon to Armada JJ should warrant or justify their ripping out of the ski for no reason. Had I been hitting huge jumps or big cliffs, maybe but not for just skiing the Avalanche chutes off of chair 22 at Mammoth and making simple turns. I only weigh about 185 at the most and only had about 40 some odd days on the set up. To some it up, light wood equals weak wood in this case. I don't know how else to explain it.

    Hey Josh, sorry to hear about your skis, that is a mega bummer.



    I might just add that its very possible there could have been an issue with the mounting job - not the ski.

    Difficult to say really, but this could have happened for a multitude of reasons. There could have been some faulty core material, or the binding itself was defective.

    Have you tried contacting Marker's warranty dept?

    I thought it might have been a bad mount job, but after 40 or 50 ski days on them ? There was nothing wrong with the binding whatsoever either- all the screws were completely intact and still in the plate of the binding. They're great skis don't get me wrong but I'm going to have a hard time trusting Armada from now on.

    The Epitome of Versatility

    • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer

    This ski carves like a GS ski, has the stability of a 2x4 whether you're riding fresh pow, hardpack or 3 day old chop, and has the float of a true pow ski. I'm 5'10, 170 and I rode the 185 with an FKS 185. If you're looking for something to do it all, look no further.

    Perfect Fun Shape for Trees & Pillows

    • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer

    Skier: 6'1", 160lbs. Technically proficient on any terrain.

    Setup: 185cm, Marker Baron binder.

    Daily use: trees, pillows, chutes, & tight technical terrain of S. Lake Tahoe.

    Of the dozen or so "fun shaped," rockered skis I've tried in the 115mm-ish waist category the JJ is by far the most balanced design: it excels in soft snow & is still tons of fun in mixed conditions typically found at resorts. Float is awesome, pivoting & smearing effortless, and the cambered section offers fantastic edge grip on hard snow for a ski this wide and light (9.8lbs in 185cm).

    My daily skiing is in tight, technical trees, chutes, spines and pillowlines typical of the resorts & backcountry of South Lake Tahoe. While I don't ski switch outside of the park, I do find the rockered tails useful for tail drags in tight spots where you want to keep it on the snow and for wheelies to help get the tips up and over larger obstacles.

    For skiers of similar weight & w/ the technique to lay down good, carved turns on hard snow, I'd rate the "speed limit" around 40mph. The ski will go faster, but like most other tapered, tip & tail rockered skis of this width, you'll begin to feel the tips & tails flatter at high speeds when slopes get icy.

    Caveat: bigger skiers (~180lbs+) looking to ski wide open spaces flat out & blast through heavy crud should look elsewhere. Blizzard and Volkl make flatter-tailed, stiffer, big-mountain skis better suited to your needs.

    Punchline: Do you want to go deep, tight, & technical? This is your ski.

    Note: *For the 3-star reviewer who complained of tail "hookiness" the problem was definitely his tune: skis with tapered tails & shovels need to have the edges detuned fore & aft of the widest contact points.

    I'm a former shop tech who tunes his own skis. Get the right length (go head-height+, they ski short), tune these skis properly & keep the edges sharp, and you will be impressed with the edging capabilities of this powder ski.

    Just posted review on Soul 7. Honestly the most disappointing "hot" ski I've ever tested. Way less float & maneuverability than old S7 in pow, godawful hard snow performance in both short and long turns. Edge hold nonexistent. Tip chatters like a scared monkey above 20mph on any type of firm snow.

    Perhaps the Super 7 makes up for this gutless performance in the pow with more width, but I honesty never want to ski the Soul 7 again under any conditions, and I only weigh 160.

    Perfection - like flying an F16

    • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer

    From the extremes of Crested Butte to the bumps to the groomers, my JJ's are perfect. Powder, crud, corduroy - they love it all. Smooth, flexible, holds an edge, quick turning and floats and most of all - powerful - nothing slows them down. They make me feel like I'm flying a F16!

    Decent All Mountain Ski

    • Familiarity:I've used it several times

    Im a little big for the 185, so I got rid of mine. I personally didnt enjoy the JJ as much as I have other skis, though I can see why others love them. I probably should have went with the AKJJ at 6'3" 185lbs, but wanted a thinner all mountain tool for Jackson Hole. I replaced the 185 JJ with a 188 S7, which fits me better personally.



    They were light and fairly playful, but I like a more solid sandwich construction that comes with the cost of heavier weight. My 11/12 obsethed and s7 are more playful, yet charge harder. The tail, or something about them, was hooky and I disliked this the most. If It wasn't for this hookiness I probably would have kept them, and also gave them four stars instead of three. They turned on a dime, but they were not super flexible, which I expected/wanted them to be. All in all, still a good all mountain tool for someone lighter than me that skis switch a lot.

    Note from a former shop tech: Note: the tail "hookiness" you complain of was a problem with your tune: skis with tapered tails & shovels need to have the edges detuned fore & aft of the widest contact points.

    I only weigh 160lbs, but ski the JJ in all conditions w/ 1degree bevel and my tails NEVER get in the way, icy, gromed, or soft.

    Shape of the JJs and original S7s are nearly identical, but you're right, the S7 weighs a full pound more, so at 185lbs stepping up in mass & length was a good decision.

    A Different Perspective

    • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer

    The JJ is undoubtedly one of the best powder skis on the market, and you could argue it has been a game changer in rocker/ reverse sidecut ski design. I have owned this ski for 3 seasons and my opinion of this ski is considerably different from alot of JJ enthusiasts. To me this ski is really good at one thing, and leaves something to be desired everywhere else. To me it really only shines in fresh snow. It floats amazingly, swivels and slashes with the best of them and it just a down right hoot to ride.



    My impressions differ from most after you get out of the powder. It's passable on groomers if you need to get back to the lift. But in the crud, in between storms, or after all the fresh has been eaten up I find this ski really struggles. The lack of any running length under your foot and the reverse sidecut after the taper make this ski act like it's on marbles in crud and day after storm conditions.



    Honestly I wouldn't expect this ski to do well in those conditions. Just looking at it tells you it's meant for fresh snow and anything else is whip cream on top. Because of all these reasons I have remounted mine with AT bindings to take advantage of the skis best features(no it's not a light set up but it's fun a hell on the way down).



    If your looking for a one ski quiver I think you can do better(see rossi soul 7, nordica patron/helldorado, 4frnt YLE, Coreupt Slasher, Amplid Hill Bills), but if you just need a dedicated powder ski or touring set up that is focused more on the down then up, this is a great ski for you.



    Overall as a powder ski I'd give it 5 out of 5 stars.

    As a one ski quiver I'd put it around a 2 or 3.

    A Different Perspective

    This will be my fourth season on mine and I would have to partially agree with Dylan. I LOVE my JJ's in any fresh snow I can find, absolutely have a blast in fresh moguls or even any kind of moguls with the rocker profile they have, and can rail anything other than pretty icy groomers with that stiff underfoot sidewall. But I don't like them in busted up crud, very rough riding!! That's why I had to finally buy a set of AK JJ's last year. For the deeper days and just bombing through crud they are so much fun if you can handle the bigger ski.

    +1: this ski is no crudbuster: heavily tracked pow is no problem if it stays dry, but add thaw / refreeze cycles & you'll pine for a beefier, flatter tail.

    -1 (or 2)

    I've ridden the Patron, and while it has great neutral, balanced handling in the pow, I found that even with a full pound of additional mass over the JJ, it couldn't punch through heavy crud any better, and didn't hold a carve any better either. The Helldorado reputedly fixes this by adding metal, but I have yet to try it.

    Another ski unworthy of the "better in crud" / quiver of 1 label is the Soul 7. I spent an entire variable-condidtion pow day on the Rossi Soul 7 & found it a mediocre intermediate ski that did *nothing* well other than be light. Float even in medium density snow was lacking. Hard snow performance was abysmal: the tips flattered like rag-dolls at speeds over 25mph on tracked up, glazed rides back to the lift. The tips & tails are so soft that it feels like there is no camber to this ski. Quick, edge-to-edge short radius turns didn't produce any notable edge bite. GS turns w/ the Soul 7s way out away from body engaged the edges, but were harrowing on a ski this spineless.

    In contrast (at least under my 160lbs)my JJs make great, carved short turns in the fall line with must enough camber to "pop" me into the next turn. W/ a centered, modern stance I can also carve decent GS turns up till about 40mph, when it starts to chatter a bit, but it's still more stable at this speed than the Soul 7 was at 20mph.

    My votes for crud busters in the 100-115mm range?

    Blizzard Cochise or Volkl Gotama.

    BergMann thanks for your comments! My experience with the Patron is with the 192 which I found to be pretty good at busting through crud and chop, admittedly the 185 would be a better comparison, but I have no experience on that ski. The other skis I listed I found to be better "quiver" ski in my opinion. I have owned the Gotama and was not a fan, it was sluggish and boring for me. But I have yet to ski any ski without camber underfoot that i've liked.



    The JJ certainly can lay some train tracks in the snow, and it should with such a tight turning radius. I just don't think the ski has a very big sweet spot right now. But I have heard rumors that a new version is coming next year and they have moved the rocker and contact points farther away from the center of the ski which I think will greatly improve the all mountain effectiveness of the ski.



    It really all boils down to personal preference, skiing style and where you are skiing. In the end if all that was left was some PRE 210's I think we'd both be out there making the most of our hop turns.

    What hasn't been said about the JJ?

    I almost replaced my JJ's this year...

    But then a remembered their pure awesomeness and my huge lack of money, so they live on!

    I'm pretty hard on my skis and these have lasted longer than any ski I've ever owned!

    Pic from Alta a couple days ago (Dec.4th)

    What hasn't been said about the JJ?

    Lost in the whiteroom on my JJs

    The JJs rip everything but they especially love pow!

    Picture taken by fellow BC employee Than Volk on 12/3/13 at Alta

    Lost in the whiteroom on my JJs

    Buy JJs. Stomp cliffs.

    POV from a couple of my favorite cliffs

    first skier isn't on JJs, but shows good perspective

    the best... year after year

    • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer

    It will be hard to top the JJ's. Versatility is the name of the game with these skis, and I've still never tried anything that can handle all types of conditions as well as the JJ's. If you need one ski to do it all, and I mean everything from park, powder, resorts, backcountry touring, etc, this ski is the clear choice. Ask me a question about them...

    If you are unsure, I would go with the factory recommended position. In the past I have mounted forward from there anywhere from 1-3 cm. I've noticed that when mounting closer to the center I have a bit more control over the ski. Just don't go too far forward. I haven't used the Marker F12's, but most binding companies make a brake that will fit the JJ, or you can modify your current ones to do so. Just bend them out a bit.

    my wife had f10s, and they work great. the leather loop on the lever to switch modes get's in the way sometimes. as far as your brakes, like ian said you can modify them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk6yIKnLqKc

    or you can take them to a shop and order new wider brakes and they'll install them.

    Ian, I've been running a hard charging 183 Coomback with a Marker Barron with the Dynafit Titan. It's been a killer big mountain ski but I've moved to the Dynafit Mercury and am thinking of going to a Dynafit binding as well. Looking for the right ski for backcountry and inbounds on pow days. Want something that will be a little more playful than the Coomback and for running deep without sacrificing the big mountain capabilities. Am I headed in the right direction with the JJ? Appreciate the feedback (big fan of your video work btw - especially dig your early stuff - Canyons Powder Day http://vimeo.com/15317426 is a classic).

    Thanks Jim! I think the JJ would be a great choice for you. I've skied on the Armada TST with Dynafit in the backcountry for the last 2 years, which is a similar ski to the Coomback, and I too have found myself wanting a more playful ski at times. The JJ is the one. While maybe not the best dedicated touring ski, although I spent like 4 years touring on them when the first came out and loved it, they are without question a supremely fun ski that does it all. If you do plan on putting dynafit bindings on the JJ's, make sure you use the Radicals with the wide brakes, or the beast, and make sure to have stiff boots. I had a problem once with sloppy boots and the vertical bindings and I felt like I only had half as much control over the ski. Problem solved with boots like the vulcan and mercury from Dynafit. Have fun!



    Unanswered Question

    Hey, I ski and work at Mammoth, currently I'm riding the 2015 AR7 176. I'm 5'10, 140 and I ski everything the mountain has to offer, I love to rip down groomers but I want something I can rip pow with as the AR7 doesn't really float well. Is it worth getting a pair of JJ's for my pow days?

    I am 6'0-6'1 and roughly 200-210 pounds. Im an advanced-expert skier. I plan on using these for inbounds pow, cliffs, chutes, and trees skiing primarily at Arapahoe Basin and other Summit County resorts. I am curious if the 185 is a big enough ski for me?!
    My last ski was the full cambered rossi s6 from 09 in a 186 (really a 183) so I dont really know how all this rocker would feel.

    Unanswered Question

    I'm 6'7" 230 pounds and am looking for this ski to hit the powder, huck chutes, air, started getting in to spins last season. Advanced skiier, living in Park City, I have the Atomic Ritual in a 190 for a more all-mountain ski.



    I am wondering if the AKJJ 195 is enough ski for me or if there is something else recommended? I ask this because it looks like this ski rides short and at my size it feels like getting the "right" ski and length is virtually impossible.



    Thanks!

    Hello. I'm 152 pounds, 5ft 9 and beginner with fat skis. Should I go with 175 or 185s ?

    I'm 150 pounds, 5ft 10 and am on the fence between the 175 and 185. I am an intermediate skier. Skiing 90% trees and powder in the backcountry. My backcountry pack weights about 30-40 pounds depending on the day. Thoughts?

    Hi Ben! Ryan Moore here from ARMADA. Given your height and weight I think it's the 175 for sure. Will float float you without a problem in deep pow and be more forgiving the trees. With the new buildout of the JJ 2.0 it will be plenty stable at speeds as well. Go with the 175 and never look back...

    Hello, I'm new in backcountry skiing and I need help to choose the right ski. I want to use it for 70% all mountain and 30% big mountain, many days in tree skiing. I ride in balcanic moutains, don't have the greatest pow all over the year, maybe 4-5 weeks on the season. I want these ski to play with it ( switch turns, switch landings ) I'm 5'8'' (172,5)and 160lbs. So I ask, if I get the 175 it will suck on that powder days ? Should I go for 185 ? I am an advanced-expert skier, I skied mostly on tracks, I excel at slalom but I handle GS really good as well. This will be my first fat ski. :)

    Anyone care to share an opinion on the...

    Anyone care to share an opinion on the right length JJ for me? I'm 5.8, 180 and currently on a 177 Enforcer. Troy?



    Best Answer

    I would say go with the 185cm. This ski has more rocker in it than the Enforcer, I think the 175cm would ski too short for you. You're Enforcer also has titanium in it making it a bit stiffer than this ski. Even though this ski is wider I think you will be able to maneuver the 185cm just fine.

    Hey there John,



    Sorry for the delay but summertime has me waterskiing and playing outside, not on computer much.



    185cm all the way! Skis super short and you will go over the handlebars on the 175cm on deep days. It may feel a little big for about the first run and that's it and maybe in some big moguls for your height. At 180lbs 185 is the right choice.



    I will start paying more attention to the questions from now on. Buying guides on the way:)



    SF

    Unanswered Question

    Well now I'm at a loss. I thought I nailed...

    Well now I'm at a loss. I thought I nailed down next seasons ski, the JJ but now I'm having second thoughts due to sizing. I'm 6'1" and 195lb, freeheeler who tends to ski soft utah bumps and our super light powder.



    At the bottom of the reviews, I read the 185 JJ might not be enough ski. The recommendation was to go to the AK JJ 195 which sounds good except for bump skiing.



    What to do? I honestly ski 85% in bumps or chop.



    I'm currently on K2 Anti-Piste(188), Scarpa T1, Hammerheads (set on 5th hole with super stiff spring)

    Hey there, I'm 5'8" 160lbs and like to ski...

    Hey there, I'm 5'8" 160lbs and like to ski anything I can get to pretty much. I'm a PSIA certified instructor that likes touring the tetons and getting into pretty tight chutes and couloirs and stuff like that. Im a pretty playful skier (Slashes and medium sized drops are my fav) but need something more aggressive than my Obsethed's and I feel like im right in the middle of the sizing for the Auto's or the JJ's. I spent the last 3 years riding Seths in 179 and i am now thinking of automatics or JJ's to up the ante. I feel like going from seth 179 -> JJ 185 will do that, as will sticking with the 179 length but going from seth -> auto. so if you think i should ride the auto, do i stick with 179 or go up to 186. I could see my self skiing a bigger ski and feel like id get used to it quick, but could also see an incresee in size AND stiffness as too much for the trees and chutes. maybe the JJ 185 is the answer (assuming the 175 is too short?) sorry for the rambling, just lookin for some input. thanks

    Paul

    ps Geeeeez yall have Magic J's on sale too....

    Best Answer

    Hey there Paul,



    Check out this review and this is similar to my opinion of the two.



    Josh Raggon

    Posted on April 7, 2014

    Familiarity: I've used it several times

    I just finished up my 2nd day on the Atomic Automatics (unfortunately not in powder yet) and they are superb. I had last season's model in a 193 length and I'm finding the 186 to be much more maneuverable and a little more quick turning. They are very stable and fast and although I haven't had them in powder yet, they performed well in a small variety of conditions at Squaw (off piste on Headwall, the Funnel, and Chute 75) and they demolished the groomers at Northstar on hardpack and slush. After skiing on the Armada JJ for most of the season I noticed that these skis are not as turny and playful but still just as fun for their stable, fast quality. Not real playful, all business.





    I'm a JJ fan through and through but they do have negatives. If you want a powerful charger the JJ is not the ski for you. What version of Obsetheds do you have? What's the waist width? Even if that Obsethed feels soft in longitudinal flex K2 skis I feel charge pretty hard, very absorbing of the terrain. JJ doesn't absorb anything, Lol. It bounces over everything unless you really keep them on edge. So lightweight but that's why they are PLAYFULL in every aspect.



    Atomic Bent Chetlers and Automatics are stiffened up Armadas in my opinion. They charge and play harder, require a little more muscle and input from the skier. You are rewarded from that effort though.



    How many big mountain skiers do you see riding a regular JJ, not many? They usually will step up to the AKJJ but it's 195cm or go Magic J or even Norwalk.



    Regular JJ has been one of my favorite skis for the last four years and I will be buying a new pair next year if that tells you anything. I never have a bad day on a JJ, except for heavy tracked out crud.



    That will get you thinking a bit and I will check back in.



    SF

    they were the 10-11 seths in 179 (117 in the wasit). so the real story here is that i won a pair of automatic 186's and am wondering if i should mount em up, downsize to 179, or sell/trade? Ill still have the seths for when i want soft and playful so I think JJ's are out but magics looks fun. In looking for something to tour and tackle more aggressive lines in Wydaho I'm back to the autos though. I read they run around 2cm shorter than they're advertised length, so if the tape says 184 on the 186 i might just man up and stick with those mounted at like +2, but as not that big a dude (5'8" 160) just not sure how much it would take for me to flex the 186 vs the 179 in tight situations. I really just wanna go demo, but ill just have to keep nerdin it up on here instead

    Paul,



    The dilemmas of ski gear, lol. The Magic J in a 180cm would work well or check out the Salomon Rocker line.



    I spent only a brief amount of time on a 179cm Automatic and not in ideal conditions for the ski but it felt pretty short to me. I'm also 6'1" 178lbs, the 186cm wasn't available to demo. So if you are truly wanting a more powerful charger to conquer more aggressive lines the 179cm might not be enough. You also say you are a pretty playful skier and worried about having to stiff of a ski so jumping up to the 186cm for a guy your size could be exhausting all day long.



    Your 179cm Obsethed is by no means a light ski, Atomic should be lighter in a similar size and easier to swing around. This may offset the length in the 186cm for you.



    My advice is this. If the Automatic is a ski that you have always wanted to try and think it's the right fit then go for it!! It's end of the season so you will get less money than what they are going for online being a private seller. Make sure you pick a binding that can adapt to other skis if you decide it's the wrong choice next season, like Marker or Salomon/atomic with interchangeable brakes.



    If you would have never picked the Automatics in the first place then sell them and start looking at other things now or next season. If you won the skis you won't be losing anything anyways. I feel you may second guess yourself crazy and never give them a fighting chance if you never considered them in the first place. Never hurts to advertise them and see how many bites you get.



    Maybe not my best advice but a difficult scenario, lol.



    Good Luck and keep me posted.







    Im about 5'8" and was wondering which size...

    Im about 5'8" and was wondering which size to get. I dont know if I should get the 175 or 185. Help!

    Best Answer

    Hey Will how are you doing? Thought you were going for the Bents so I lost track of your last posting. You do sit in between sizes as of this year but if you think are you still growing then the 185cm will be fine. You are 180lbs from what I remember so 1856cm is the way to go. Especially if you were looking at the 183 Bent Chetler the 185 JJ will be easier to toss around and its lighter.



    My wife is 42 years old, 5'6" 138lbs and skis the 175cm VJJ if that gives you some reference. Your weight alone needs the 185cm for adequate float.



    Hope that helps and you better get them before the season ends:)



    SkiFreak





    I was going for the bents then I did some more searching and found the JJs were a bigger ski that's a bit more all mountain friendly. I still don't know what i'll choose. I still going for the bents but I'm considering the JJs

    Yes JJ is a bit more all mountain friendly but the Bent Chetler is a bigger, wider and stiffer ski in general. Not a lot of difference in length between them because armada/atomic similar molds. It's a true 2-3cm difference is all. I found the 192cm Bent Chetler poppier than the 195cm AKJJ, thats also what wore me out faster.



    Whatever you pick it will be the right choice, both skis are a total blast. Regular JJ just a little bit lighter, quicker, touch more playful. Bents are little heavier, charges a bit more, more float in the deep.

    Question on mounting position: I just...

    Question on mounting position: I just picked up a pair of 185 JJs and want to mount them with Look Pivot 14s (I know, I know, I'm a traitor to freeheelers. Deal with it; there's nothing wrong with having a couple pairs of alpine skis in the quiver). I'm 5'8", 145 lbs., so this is a pretty big ski for me. On the one hand, I'll only be using them on powder days (and for the occasional trip out West), I'm willing to stay aggressive with them, and I never ski switch, so mounting them on the line seems reasonable. On the other hand, I've never skied anything longer than a 178 and will be spending a lot of time with these in bumps and tight trees, so maybe mounting a cm or two forward would be good to make them feel a bit more nimble. Thoughts?



    For reference, my 178 Rossi S3s are mounted +1, and I think the line on those is 5 cm back from ski center like on the JJs. I love the feel of those as an all-mountain ski (making tele or parallel turns), but I definitely think that the tips are too short in serious pow and that they're not super stable at speed.

    Best Answer

    Just my two bits, stay on the JJ factory recommended. Its there for a reason and even though Im bigger than you are I have never once for a second wished my 185 JJ was further ahead. I never ski switch unless by accident. I wish they made a 190cm JJ if that helps you with anything. I just don't see any advantage to going ahead of that line on this ski. It feels like you are skiing in the dead center of it as it is. I have a Griffon on mine but the pivot will just allow the ski to flex a bit more under the heel.



    I also own a 195cm AKJJ thats mounted on the recommended line and if it was further ahead I would really hate it.



    Hope that helps and you will love them. Just give them a chance if you don't click with them right away. They get better every time you jump on them.



    Skifreak

    Please let me know how you like them. The little extra height of the 185cm will take some getting used to in the moguls but give it time. You were in between sizes in my opinion but you picked right. I'm curious to know how you think they handle the groomers. I personally think mine are a blast. I keep a really good tune on them, and don't let somebody detune the tips and tails very much. Do it gradually if needed. I keep mine sharp and I can carve it up!! As long as I keep them rolled on edge.



    Skifreak

    So the JJs are mounted up and ready to go, but I'm now sick... bummer. May looks wicked busy for me at work; I'll be lucky to get out on them at all this season. Fingers crossed, though! The 185 was definitely the right way to go, though -- just from looking at them, with all that rocker and reverse sidecut in the tips and tails, I can tell that the 175s would have felt way too short. I'll post an update if I do manage to get out!

    Thinking about getting a dedicated pow...

    Thinking about getting a dedicated pow setup for New England skiing, which for me mostly means pounding soft bumps and hunting powder stashes in tight trees. My current go-to skis are my Rossi S3s; I love the tip and tail rocker with underfoot camber and would want the same profile in my pow skis, but I would want to see improved performance busting crud and chop (they don't have to be total beasts, though -- nimbleness is definitely the priority). Would the JJs fit the bill? What else should I look at? If I do go for the JJs, which length would be best? I'm 5'8", 145 lbs. and ski 178 S3s; I could probably go a little longer for a pow ski, but going up to a 185 seems like kind of a big jump.



    Appreciate any recommendations!

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    My favorite saying over the last four years that my family hears every time I ski my JJ is this, "always a good day on a JJ." It's so true for me. Yes the JJ does have its drawbacks but the positives outweigh the negatives in my book. The JJ hater's will say it sucks on groomers, it gets tossed around and it's rough riding in the crud, it's not damp enough, not powerful enough, etc... But really look at the JJ lovers out there, there is a ton of them!! JJ riders learn to ski this ski and when they do it does wonders. I hated it the first few times I was on it, especially in the crud, but I learned to keep it up on edge and let the stiff center of the ski truck right through it. My wife went through the exact same thing and now LOVES the VJJ.



    The JJ is one of the most fun mogul skis I've ever been on. I rip through any size, shape, and consistency of bumps I can find. Many people stop and ask me how I can ski them so fast in moguls for such a big ski, so fun! Carving hard firm groomers... No problem at all. Just look at the sidecut, the turn radius, the sidewall construction under the foot, and it will trench and hold if you are a good technical skier. Tips and tails will flap but who cares, the midsection will stay rock steady. I don't need to go over the powder and tree ability of the ski and how much fun it is, that's a no brainer.



    I know I gave you more information than you probably wanted in this long message but what can I say, I own several skis but I just love my JJ.



    Tough call on the length. My wife is 5'6" and 138lbs, very aggressive and skis the 175. I'm 6'1" 180lbs on the 185jj. I wish mine was a little longer on the deep days, she wishes hers was a little shorter on firm mogul days. If you ski very aggressively and want more float go 185, if you are more timid, willing to have a little tip dive when deep, and want more mogul friendly go 175cm.



    I'm outa room now so good luck!

    Or go new Super 7 in 180cm. Neither Super or a JJ is what I would call great in the crud but you can't have everything. Nimble, quick, light, fun, mogul friendly, and bombs through crud is just not in any ski I've ever found. Trade off's, always.

    Haha, thanks, never too much information! I've written some novel-length gear reviews myself.... I'll take a look at the Super 7 as well, but as for the JJ, I think I'm leaning 185 over 175. Also, somebody mentioned further down this page that next year's model is supposed to have a little less rocker... Anyone know anything about that? Thoughts on how that might affect my decision if I wait until next season?

    I've had my hands on next years and it is modified slightly, I'm waiting to ski it soon if the season holds. It's only about 2mm wider and yes the widest parts of the ski are pushed a little bit further out. Turn radius is a touch longer too, which I'm not sure I will like. Not a major change but I'm hoping it was a good update. Mine is four years old and getting pretty beat up. I've been thinking of buying another pair just in case they wreck it. I think it might blend a touch of the akjj into the normal version so slight better crud performance and possibly better float. But these are minor changes in my opinion and that's good. Don't mess with a proven winner.



    If you can find a good deal on this years version and have never experienced a JJ then saving some cash and putting the rest into a binding is a good way to go. Remember next years version will be a touch bigger and that means slightly heavier in my opinion.

    How people are mounting these for tele...

    How people are mounting these for tele (i.e., 0,-1, -5, etc)? I haven't been able to find a lot of beta out there and I am new to this ski. These skis will be skied in wide open alpine terrain, trees, and occasionally at the ski areas. So I am looking for the spot that will give me the most versatility. I'll probably being using axl's and my t-races. Anyway, just curious if anyone has any insights or opinions. Thanks

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    Hi,

    I don't have the JJs in particular, but I have a somewhat similar profile ski mounted with the Hammerheads. I mount them 2-3 back and get the most versatile ride out of them- touring, trees, cliffs, jumps. The more length in front of your boots will give you a more aggressive big mountain ride, but you don't want to go too far back, because then it takes away the stability from your tails!

    I'm 5'2" and 120 lbs. Is the 165 right...

    I'm 5'2" and 120 lbs. Is the 165 right for me. I'm an advanced intermediate skier

    Hi twist.



    I'm the exact same size and you could definitely handle the 165cm. This ski feels like a much shorter ski when cruising around because the rocker decreases the effective edge.



    I'm more of an advanced/expert skier, and I actually ski the 175cm VJJ (women's version) but it just depends on how strong of a skier you are. You will definitely be fine on the 165 cm.

    Examples for you. My wife is 5'6" and 138lbs strong skier and she skis the 175cm, it reaches above her head. Both my boys are roughly 5' 6" and 120-135 lbs and I would put them on the 175cm. I think you will be fine going with the 165cm, some day when you get more aggressive and are skiing in very deep snow you may want to jump up to the 175cm.

    What bindings do you recommend putting on...

    What bindings do you recommend putting on these skis?

    Neil,

    There are a lot of bindings that will work great with the Armada JJ depending on how you intend to use it. However a few excellent options would be the Salomon Guardian 16 and Marker Baron for AT, or the Rossi FKS for Alpine exclusive riding. Personally I think the Salomon Guardian16 in the 115mm brake width is a seamless match for this ski.

    Marker griffon or even the salomon driver STH 13 depending on your size. I love griffons on mine for the added height/leverage for groomed performance while others like low profile closer to the snow feel of the others. All depends if you are going to do any AT

    Hi- Im an intermediate on my way to advanced...

    Hi- Im an intermediate on my way to advanced skier thats only been skiing seriously for about 4 years. I currently ride 175 ARV's. I wanna get a nice powder ski..im 5' 9" 165lbs and I'm thinking the JJ is my best fit. What are your thoughts and would I be in trouble if I went to a 165cm?

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    null,

    The 165cm would be a good choice for your size and experience, but it sounds like you are a progressing skier who is really looking to up his game by combining your intermediate skills with an advanced ski.



    The 175 may seem a touch long the first several times you ride the JJ but, after a honeymoon period, I think you will be grateful you went for the longer length. The extra 10cm will combine with that Freeride Rocker to give you excellent float in the backcountry, while the JJ's relatively tight turning radius will keep you nimble on harder surfaces.



    Again, you would really be safe on either length, but if you are buying your dream car, I wouldn't hesitate on bumping up to the V8.

    Agree with Mike, 175cm all the way. My teenage boys range from 14, 15, 16 years old and sizes are from 5'5" 120lbs up to 5' 11" and 150 lbs and and they easily ride the 175cm and have all even rode my 185cm when it's deep and not massive moguls.



    Like Mike says you will adjust to the size within the first day or two. Some first impressions of a JJ if it's not a powder day are iffy but give it a chance!! I wasn't in love with mine the first 5 days I skied them and after four years I would never part with it. Same with my wife on her VJJ. Have fun with them.

    I ski jay peak, sugarbush, Stowe, and a...

    I ski jay peak, sugarbush, Stowe, and a couple other mtns. Conditions vary, but I really like skiing the back of the mountain, and some side country. I like throwing off of booters, and also like to be in the park like 20% of the time. I like going in the trees and glades a lot also. I like a fat and stable ski, but something that is nimble and quick. I'm 5'9" 150 and really will only gain and inch or less, and gain weight. I'm an advanced skiier, would this be a good ski for me?

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    I think yes. Also look at Line Sir Francis Bacon or possibly the Soul 7 depending on your age. The reason I say age is I'm finding that the younger generation prefers Armada and Line brand names if hanging around the park. The JJ will be a touch wider underfoot and have more tip and tail rocker to it, maybe a touch better in deep powder but at your weight either will be great. They both are nimble and light, Armada usually has a lighter more ceramic/glassy feel to it where the Line has a smoother/quiter feel to it, almost like a thin little layer of rubber in the ski. I hear the Bacon is a little more buttery in the tips and tails vs the JJ.



    I think my JJ rips groomers all over but people say the Bacon is awesome too. Its been a few years since Ive skied the Bacon but hoping to jump on one here soon. Really can't go wrong either way you go, both skis are a blast if you don't mind the width. I think the Bacon will be more park friendly just because it has less rocker in the tail but at 20% park time I wouldn't let that weigh your decision.

    I currently ski a Line Prophet 98 179cm...

    I currently ski a Line Prophet 98 179cm and I'm looking for a powder ski to add to my quiver. I'm not sure if I should go with the 185 JJ, or the 195 AKJJ. I'm 6', 180Ibs and I'm an advanced skier. I mostly ski in Tahoe. Also, are there any other similar skis I should be considering?

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    I am exactly your size and 42 years young. My 185 JJ is four years old and my AKJJ is two years old. I would never part with my 185JJ, probably my favorite ski of all time. It has its minor flaws but the fun factor outweighs them. I bought the AKJJ because on deep days I always felt like I was going over the tips of the 185, they are basically center mounted so not a ton of tip out in front. If they made the regular JJ in 190cm that would have been the way to go for me but they don't. For its size the AKJJ is very fun, but its still a BIG ski. Guess it depends on your age, ability, and strength plus the amount and consistency of snow you get. AKJJ plows through crud and charges harder than the 185cm but still retains a quick, light, and nimble feel compared to other skis of its same size.



    Other choices would be the new Super 7 in a 188cm, which I'm dying to try. Salomon rocker 2 series, Scott Punisher, or Cochise and Scout from Blizzard. Tahoe gets heavy snow and crud so make sure you take that into consideration!

    Currently on a Salomon Rocker (108) 181...

    Currently on a Salomon Rocker (108) 181 cm. This is my first pair of skis. I like them but looking for something to add to my quiver. Would getting the JJ or AKJJ be too much of a quiver overlap? Also, I'm still fairly new to skiing, would the AKJJ be too much to start with? What about something from the Rossignol line?

    The JJ probably wouldn't be too much overlap with the rocker 108's but they are similar ski's for sure. The JJ won't be as fun on the groomers/bumps, but is a blast in fresh snow. As for rossi's look at the soul 7 or s 7, both look really fun! In my perfect world I would have a ski that is 100-105mm underfoot, one 110-115, and one 120(ish)

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    I think you would overlap too much if you went with the 185 JJ. I think over the course of a year you would end up choosing one or the other to ski and the other one would collect dust. I haven't skied the rocker series but just by inspection and feel in my opinion Armada will be overall lighter, little more playful, will get tossed around a bit more in crud, has more distinct rocker for float and a quicker turn radius. Rocker series will have a little more muscle to it for crud and a touch longer turn radius, little heavier damp feel. You will see various opinions on JJ groomer performance but in my opinion they FN rip groomers. I have a marker griffon on mine for a little more leverage and I can carve trenches in ANY condition. From slalom like turns to longer ones, JJ does it all. Tips flap but oh well the underfoot is rock steady.



    Depending on your size the AKJJ can be too much. I own both 185JJ and AKJJ and only bring my AKJJ out on DEEP days. For its size its great fun but no matter what its a 195cm wide ski.



    I would consider looking into the new Super 7 if you wanted to keep your Salomon. Super will float better than the 185JJ just based on not center mounted as much and the Super 7 tail isn't as rockered as the JJ's so it will keep the tip up a bit more. JJ is more of a symmetrical ski.



    If you're younger, strong, and ski a lot of heavier snow that turns to crud fast go AKJJ if your weight and height matches it. Its a fairly nimble, quick and fun bomber for its size. Pick a light binding for the AKJJ so you don't add any extra weight.



    If you want a lighter, easier to swing around, and a touch more forgiving ski go Super 7 in the 188cm.

    So I'm 6'5" and 185. And 32 in age. By my measurements you can tell that I'm lanky. and want a taller ski. I'm a intermediate skier at this point. I'm willing to part with the Rocker 2 (sell it), but unsure if the 185 length in the JJ will make much of a difference? The Rocker2 is a 182.



    Also with my height will out grow the JJ after a season? Meaning will I get bored of it and wish I had something longer next year?

    I want to get a ski that I can enjoy now and have fun with for a couple of seasons.



    Maybe the Norwalk 189 is the answer?

    In my honest opinion at your height you will start to feel like you are going over the tips of the 185jj on deeper days. I'm 6'1" and 178 lbs and I LOVE my 185jj but it's not long enough on deep days. Less than a foot is fine but if you are charging hard it's not near enough out front and that's the general consensus with people our size and bigger.



    I think you should look at the Super 7 in the 188cm, consider the AKJJ but it's still a big ski for more everyday use, I don't use mine that much. I wish I had some experience with the Norwalk, it's the wider version of the TST which skis differently than a JJ because of the stiffer tail. Which if you don't really know how the JJ feels the Norwalk May work well for you. I didn't like the tst near as much as my JJ's in big soft bumps because I like a looser more smeary tail. Norwalk will definitely charge harder and handle crud better than the 185jj but the Akjj is awesome in that stuff.



    Take a peak at the Super 7, if I had to replace my akjj and my 185jj with one powder ski I would choose the Super 7 which I just might before the year is over. Hard to find on sale though unlike the JJ.

    Thanks for the response. I was at the shop earlier. I like the idea of the Super 7. I looked at the Norwalk too. The Norwalk is noticeably stiffer than the Super 7. The Super 7 has similar flex to my Rocker 2 108. Would the Super 7 ski longer but also have a surfy feel because of the flex? I'm trying to narrow down my choices to a Norwalk, Super 7, and maybe Soul 7. But I like a waist width of 108 or more.



    Also. Will the Super 7 charge better than the Rocker 2? Because it does have a similar flex but its longer. Ahh. So many choices.

    Ya sorry for the confusion. I've been all over these review boards lately. I'll be selling the Rocker 2. Only because I bought it waaay to small. I wasn't thinking. So ya. I'm narrowing it down to the Soul and Super 7. Your last comment on the Super 7 board helped a lot. I'm leaning towards the Super and hope that it'll perform better than what people say on the groomers. I'm not a advanced or expert skier yet. So from your review it seems like it'll have a smeary and surfy feel in powder and groomers? But not hard packed.

    I bet once you give the Super 7 a fair chance, I mean several days not hours, on groomers you will dial it in just fine. There is a fair amount of camber in the ski and if you aren't a hard charging expert you will have fun on the groomers with it. Just remember it is not a narrow and stiff carver. You always have to give up something to get something, in life and in skis!



    My advice to you is this, buy the Super 7 and in the back of your mind be thinking of another ski for the hard snow days. Wether you find something used or on clearance this will be the way to go when it hasn't snowed in two weeks.



    If this is the only ski you will own for a long time you may want to look at other things, unless you only ski on powder days. If that's the case I want your life!!!



    If you are really undecided then make sure you buy the ski from a great shop, like Backcountry that will work with you if you are struggling with it. Just make sure you review the return and exchange policies because they have changed a little. With spring skiing its tough to try out powder skis but if you like it on the groomers you will LOVE it in the fresh.



    Keep me posted on your decisions,

    Skifreak

    Ya I'm beginning to think that I will need to have at least two pairs of skis. The Super and something else...BUT I had one lost ski to ask about. What have you heard about the Salomon Q-115? Any thoughts on that?

    You owned a salmon 108 so basically same ski but wider. I honestly don't have any personal experience on the salomon skis over the last two years. My local shop always has great things to say about them, they are also a Rossignol dealer. Just from what I read and getting my hands on the skis I would be safe to say Salomon will be a touch heavier, therefore better bombing through the crud. I think a little stiffer underfoot and throughout the tail, again better charger of a ski compared to the Super 7. Everybody says the Salomon line is very playful and a light swing weight but I would bet to say the Super 7 is a touch more nimble and even lighter swing weight.



    Tough call for you on that one, you at least have your Salomon to compare to what you thought of the Soul 7 the other day. I would use your thoughts on how those skis compare to help you with deciding on a company for this next purchase. Not massive reviews or forums on the Salomon or Super 7 this year. Slow start to the winter didn't help either.

    kjack, I did some more digging for you. The q-115 will be just like I thought with a more traditional feel to it with its stiffer mid section and flatter stiffer tail. It will hold onto a carve longer on the groomers versus either the super 7 or the rocker 2 108. I'm assuming you want to stay more new school surfy don't you??