Winter-proof, weather-proof, and very nearly bomb-proof as well.
- Trim fit reduces unnecessary bulk that gets in your way with typical jackets
- Fully taped seams complete a moisture seal to prevent soaking even when snow collects on you
- Underarm zip vents give you more control over body temperature regulation
- Recco reflector system adds peace of mind in case your day should take an unexpected turn
- Removable hood and powder skirt allow you to convert quickly to casual for a post-powder brew at the lodge
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Quit whining and get skiing!
- Gender: Male
Arc makes great gear. I have had a sidewinder hardshell goretex xcr with matching pants for years and would never choose anything else. Fact is I was getting terminally cold, especially for front side skiing (read standing around in the cold waiting for wife and less experienced friends and coworkers or business contacts). My hunch is that if you can afford this jacket you know what I mean. So I see this as a wise investment. I just bought it and the matching pants in Europe at an outlet store. Even with discounts and tax free, etc., they were expensive. If you buy a Mercedes would you winge and complain? If so, there is VW...or even Skoda. These garments are even made in Canada who I would rather support than sweat shops in China....I am so looking forward to toasty warm front side day and chewing up the backside with my hardshell and layers. Good gear rocks and never disappoints!
- Gender: Male
Have not had a chance to try this out since Mother Nature is not cooperating, yet. But first impression is that the performance will be sweet like all Arc gear! Fit is good. Ordered Large and it fits my 6'1" and 200 frame just right. This is a huge upgrade from the "old" hardshell. This is soft and quiet but will see how well it works once the white stuff starts flying. Really like the removable hood so it is not flapping around when it is not needed. Overall great jacket!
I am a new Ventii Owner
- Gender: Male
Well, not just quite yet. SAC just had this up for $369. Found my size and picked it up. Looking forward to having another arrow in my quiver for this winter. Love Arc'Teryx and hope this jacket will be my go to on the front side..
Does anyone know why this jacket costs so...
Does anyone know why this jacket costs so much more than the Fission SL and Fission SV models? Is the Coreloft insulation that much lighter and/or more breathable? Don't get me wrong, I own two other Arcteryx jackets and I believe they make the best jackets on the market right now. But as far as I can tell, the Fission SL has the same Gore Pro Shell with a slightly different insulation material and retails for $698. Is this jacket really $300 better? I ski in the Wasatch, usually 50+ days a season , about 50% resort 50% backcountry so the right combination of breathable/warm/waterproof is something I am willing to spend the extra money on if it is worth it.
Its the same coreloft used in the Atom and Fission Series of jackets which can be had at a fraction of the cost of this jacket. The reason the jacket costs so much is is because of a few things: the gore tex face fabric, The powderguard underarm vents, removeable hood and powder skirt. Arcteryx made the jacket to compete in the high end ski jacket category of KJUS, Spyder etc. Its a great jacket but you have to decide yourself if its worth the cost. THey are discontinued for next season so you should be able to find a good deal on one out there
I live in the Canadian Arctic - Yellowknife...
I live in the Canadian Arctic - Yellowknife NWT and have long sought the perfect winter jacket system. The more I read the reviews about the Arc'teryx clothing line the closer I think I am to finding my goal I want to buy this jacket but it needs a layering system beneath it. at -50 the jacket alone will not keep me warm. You need to vent moisture when your outside, I have had good down jackets but you boil in them with any exertions and when your are wet your are in trouble. I am thinking of the patagonia R3 hi loft as the base layer - any comments or suggestions?
Great resort jacket
I recently bought this jacket for skiing at Whistler and the occasional catskiing excursion. It's light, trim fitting, and warm. When I skied at -9C (or 16 F), I was comfortable with thermal underwear and a thin fleece. The collar is high enough to block out the cold wind when I'm above the treeline. There is enough stretch for good mobility.
I usually wear an Arc Teryx Theta Gore-Tex XCR shell with fleece layers, but the Ventii is less bulky. The fabric on the Gore Tex Pro laminate is also soft and quiet.
Although the hood is insulated, it's too snug for my helmet. Fortunately, I like skiing without a hood and removed it (which is a nice feature).
A really like the Ventii jacket but it's pricey. However, it's unfair to criticize the price when other premium jackets (insulated or not) are in the same price range. I have other less expensive that I'm happy with (eg. Patagonia Powder Bowl) but the Ventii is just better.
Honda makes very fine cars, but why criticize Porsche for their pricing? If you can't afford or don't want to buy Arc Teryx, find something else!
Is the 434SN Gore tex STRETCH fabric the...
Is the 434SN Gore tex STRETCH fabric the same as Gore tex VIPER stretch used from a few seasons ago?
Probably real close, I don't remember when the Goretex membrane changed... proshell uses the same Goretex membrane as performance shell... what classifies a garment as proshell is the garment must meet a set of criteria that the mfg must follow specified by Goretex (face fabric, seam taping, stitching, inner backing fabric, etc)...
The mechanical stretch comes from the face fabric 434SN, not specifically a new goretex "stretch" material... the Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) Goretex membrane is already inherently stretchy it just needs a stretchy face fabric to become "stretch"...
Arcteryx generally uses their own face fabrics laminated to the pro shell membrane. VIPER was a Gore product (that had 2 way stretch face fabric). Some of the Gore reps or Arc reps maybe can clarify if it is or if this is a completely new product on the market.
My Jacket made with VIPER stretch was warrantied by Gore since the membrane didn't stretch underneath the face fabric and leaked in 2 separate locations. Im wondering if they fixed the problems (There is almost no stretch in the membrane).
to be honest, I'm not familiar with the Viper. I can say that the Ventii uses a face fabric that stretches with the membrane, so delam shouldn't be an issue. As usual, if there were ever a problem, you've essentially got a double warranty, from Gore and Arc'teryx. That being said, the best thing about the Arc'teryx warranty is that it almost never gets used.
first of all you're all silly. especially...
first of all you're all silly. especially you that said "arc'teryx is done." is it arc'teryx's fault you can't afford their jackets? obviously you don't need the ventii to enjoy a solid day on the slopes but it's a dope jacket, three layer gore-tex proshell, coreloft insulation, watertight zippers, blah blah blah. they make thee best jackets with lifetime warranties. so i'm not sure what you're all complaining about.. if you can't afford it. go buy another jacket and go ski. mammut makes great jackets too, no need to act like that because you think someone markets or prices their amazing contructed jackets wrong.
So, what was your question?
Why doesn't everyone start ragging on the Spyder Pinnacle Jacket? Seems like Arc is the brand everyone loves to hate because they make the sickest gear out there. Its not like Arc is making you buy this jacket, and its definitely not for everyone considering that it is $1,000. Even still, this is the Jacket that a resort-goer is going to have for 35 years, and for that reason I bet its cost-per-wearing is gonna be a lot less than a lot of other Jackets out there. With the relatively high price of Arc'teryx these days, why don't you all consider that you buy nice or you buy twice. I own an Arc'teryx shell that costed $500 and I expect it to last 3 times as long as a $250 counterpart. I am also certain that if for some reason my Jacket doesn't perform the way it should, Arc'teryx will send me a new shell. Most Jackets these days are purchases, an Arc'teryx Jacket is an investment.
I think the price tag of this jacket is a...
I think the price tag of this jacket is a complete disgrace especially in todays economy. Give me a break. Says alot about a company putting this out there. I dont care how water proof their zippers are. Stupid.
I agree that it's a disgrace because there are perfectly comparable jackets out there for far less. Brandon Carlile talked below about how it's designed for resort skiers, but even then, there are jackets with just as high quality from companies like First Ascent for less than half the price. I have some products from Arc, and yes, they are nice (excluding my chalk bag, which leaks chalk like crazy), but I think very few of the products they make are worth the price. While it doesn't have a dead bird skeleton on it, the Rab Latok jacket offers the same build quality as the Alpha SV for a lesser price, and a company like Rab isn't so confident in their logo that they'll put out a jacket like this. I would also posit that for $600, the Patagonia Super Alpine jacket is a better mountain shell. Arc' lovers, attack me.
Guys do not get so excited, this is high end ski fancy stuff there are other brands out there that have stuff like this. Arcteryx is trying to get in this game too I will never buy this jacket, but nothing wrong about going after this market from the business point of view.
Check out Descente bellow, Ski World Circuit supplier $1,200 for a ski jacket.
this is not fancy or high end! it just costs a sh** ton of cash. To be high end, a jacket must be high performance.
You'd be surprised what people are still buying in "this economy." The people in the financial position to buy Arc'teryx haven't all been hit as hard as the general population. The store I work in sold more Fission SV jackets this year than we ever have in the past and it's been a pretty mild winter. Now, on to the jacket... I'm sure Brandon Carlile can tell you a lot more about it than I can but the Ventii is a step above the rest of Arc's ski line (in the right conditions). Start with a Mako jacket (which is already $750) and make the hood and powder skirt removable. Next replace the standard Gore Pro Shell exterior with Gore Pro Shell Stretch - and that stuff isn't cheap. Would I pay nearly $1000 for it? No - but it doesn't fit my needs. However, there are people looking for a jacket that does everything the Ventii does and they are willing to pay for it. Don't pretend you're better than everyone else by shaming a company for selling an expensive product.
Ironic statement, considering you bought a 650 buck coat with far less features and rave about it:
So which is it, high priced and worth the money, over priced and stupid
This looks like a $300 jacket from four...
This looks like a $300 jacket from four years ago. Is their anyone from Arc'teryx that cares to explain? As far as I'm concerned Arc'teryx is done. buy mammot, norrona or something else.
Ah yes, the beauty of judging a jacket from a picture.
Here's the scoop on this. First off, it's not a traditional Arc'teryx jacket from a features standpoint, but from design, materials and construction, it is. I'm seeing lots of comparisons to the Arc'teryx shells, which totally misses the point of this jacket. It's not meant to fit the "outdoor" product mold. It is designed primarily for resort skiers who want pockets, warmth and a trim fit, with top grade quality. Traditionally this guy has had to go with a jacket that uses ho-hum fabric and fit to get the feature set and insulation.
So....Stretch GoreTex Proshell with high quality face fabric, Coreloft insulation, removeable powder skirt and hood, multitude of pockets inside and out.The insulation is graded to keep the warmth in but bulk down. Extra narrow watertight zips for a clean look.
The Ventii isn't designed for backcountry skiers, climbers, or backpacking. It's is a response to requests from our lift riding (exclusively) brethren to make an Arc'teryx quality jacket with resort riding features. Outdoor guys might be shocked by the price, but if you've looked at jackets made for the same customer, by other "ski" brands, this is pretty reasonably priced. Arc'teryx still focuses on the icon "core" jackets, and they are still superior to any in the "outdoor" market. We heard lots of "sticker shock" comments when the Alpha SV came in at $600, but the uniqeness of quality makes it justified; well, to some anyway. BTW this jacket is made in Canada for anyone that gripes about offshore production.
let the rebuttals begin
Brandon, Arc'teryx came into being because they were so innovative and cut no corners in making their products, which is something that any serious outdoors person can respect. I have begun to discount them though because you guys have failed to update materials in recent years, and seem to be catering more and more to city-folk. Any reasons for this? You stand firmly by Goretex even though independent testing and logic has shown that it is no longer close to the most breathable fabric out there, and stick to windstopper when Powershield Pro offers the same functionality with significantly more breathability. It's nice to talk to someone from Arc'teryx about this.
Thank you brandon for the clarification. I now understand that this jacket is just for rich people who like overpriced jacket. This jacket seems top give insight into arcteryx's direction as a compary. Before this i would only expect something stupid from a compary like spider. I will stick to mammut who cuts their jackets well, doesn't overprice their garments , and has yet to move their manufacturing to china and uses the finest materials and doesnt try to tell everyone that proshell along with gore tex's fabrics are the best and breath just as well as event.
So what exactly makes this a 1000$ jacket?...
So what exactly makes this a 1000$ jacket? Personally I would never pay that much.
supposedly, the GT Pro Stretch + insulation + removable hood and pockets. I am amazed. I love Arcteryx gear. I don't mind eating Top Ramen for a month to afford a quality piece of gear, but in every case where I've done that, it's been justified. I don't see that here. The irony is, I could buy an Alpha SV and an Atom SV and still be under the price for this thing.
Actually, on further reflection, I'm convinced that this is a joke . . . or a carefully devised scheme to see who would be idiotic enough to buy this thing. Just slap a DESCENTE patch on this thing now and get it overwith.
Who can afford this? I am an owner of...
Who can afford this? I am an owner of Arcteryx gear and they make quality gear no doubt, but they are quickly becoming the brand of doughy execs and their snotty kids on day 2 of a 3 day season. The irony is that the few that could actually benefit from tech gear in extreme environs probably can't buck up. Amazing how the pioneers did so much with so little! Am I the only one?
I feel your pain, and am with you. They are normally way out of my range too
LOL, I'm a doughy exec doing 3-day seasons and I only buy Arcteryx now. You've nailed it BW!
So I'm thinking that this is the Ventii...
So I'm thinking that this is the Ventii jacket that Arc'teryx has on their website. We have reached the era of $1000 shells! The only thing I noticed that makes this jacket unique is the goretex pro shell stretch material and the trim fit (I would assume the trim fit is because the jacket does not need any layering because it is a standalone insulated waterproof shell). How stretchy is this material compared to the stretchiness of a polar tech neoshell garment or compared to the stretch of the new fortius 2.0 material of the gamma mx?
This is indeed the Ventii. Arcteryx originally named it the Verto in the sales catalogue (for dealers) when they did their buying in the previous year. They changed the name in between (which happens quite often).
It is only moderately warm (80gm/m2 of coreloft). For most condition a base layer and the jacket will be enough. As temps Depending on temps plummet you will still need to layer.
No experience with the material. Brandon Carlile (Arc rep on this site is an excellent resource)
Paul, as usual, is correct on the naming change. This isn't a "shell" jacket, it uses Coreloft insulation, as well as a lining material that adds some warmth (Coreline). Part of the expense is the Stretch Goretex, which doesn't have the stretch of the Fortius (Gamma MX) but it is definitely noticeable. The other part is the feature set and construction. Lots of pockets, removeable hood and pow skirt, and all done in typical Arc'teryx style- very detailed, great fit and super precise seams (no exposed stitching) that other brands just won't do (even at higher prices). As for layering, I'd use a midweight baselayer for most days. If the temps are closing in on 0f, and Atom LT would be all you'd need to add.
Thanks Paul and Brandon. Always helpful as usual! :) I guess I'll will have to wait to see more reviews of this jacket in action.